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  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

    oops

    the Vox article paywalled

    here's the archive.org link to read it:

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    A decades-long plan to abolish the Electoral College may finally pay off

    A Democratic wave in 2026 could deliver the key remaining states needed for a popular vote system, under this proposal

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    #3

    wtf

    they paywall code also shows up in the archive.org link

    😩

    i don't know what to do

    try reading this from 3 weeks ago instead. it's not the same juicy details, but it argues the same gist after Virginia got on board:

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    Virginia joins a national effort to ensure only popular vote winners become president

    With Virginia on board, the National Popular Vote Compact is now enacted in states worth 222 electoral votes. Here's what that means.

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    NPR (www.npr.org)

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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      #4

      @flipper

      doesn't matter

      there is only the good fight in this world. now and forever

      imagining scenarios where we lose is defeatism, cynicism, weakness. it saps the will to fight

      so we keep fighting

      always

      there's always setbacks

      who cares

      that's life

      fight, fight, fight

      and you know what happens if you keep fighting?

      it get's easier

      while not fighting makes the good struggle harder

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      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

        wtf

        they paywall code also shows up in the archive.org link

        😩

        i don't know what to do

        try reading this from 3 weeks ago instead. it's not the same juicy details, but it argues the same gist after Virginia got on board:

        Link Preview Image
        Virginia joins a national effort to ensure only popular vote winners become president

        With Virginia on board, the National Popular Vote Compact is now enacted in states worth 222 electoral votes. Here's what that means.

        favicon

        NPR (www.npr.org)

        nemo@mas.toN This user is from outside of this forum
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        #5

        @benroyce

        Here you go https://archive.is/xwSo3

        And yeah, I know they have their fair share of controversy; still, there is no alternative to them yet. GhostArchive can't be used with Tor, and Mr. Krebs, the IT guy, also uses this, so… 🤷 Meh…

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        • nemo@mas.toN nemo@mas.to

          @benroyce

          Here you go https://archive.is/xwSo3

          And yeah, I know they have their fair share of controversy; still, there is no alternative to them yet. GhostArchive can't be used with Tor, and Mr. Krebs, the IT guy, also uses this, so… 🤷 Meh…

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          #6

          @nemo

          thank you

          {hat tip}

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            #7

            @grumble209

            yeah last time we interacted i forced you to unfollow me

            nobody is interested in your debbie downer shit Grumble

            at least your account is well named

            otherwise fuck off with your defeatist shit

            that's a you problem, not an us problem

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            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

              @nemo

              thank you

              {hat tip}

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              #8

              @benroyce My pleasure 😁 👍

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                #9

                @flipper

                ✅

                🤬

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  @flipper

                  doesn't matter

                  there is only the good fight in this world. now and forever

                  imagining scenarios where we lose is defeatism, cynicism, weakness. it saps the will to fight

                  so we keep fighting

                  always

                  there's always setbacks

                  who cares

                  that's life

                  fight, fight, fight

                  and you know what happens if you keep fighting?

                  it get's easier

                  while not fighting makes the good struggle harder

                  catdragon@mastodon.worldC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  catdragon@mastodon.world
                  wrote last edited by
                  #10

                  @benroyce @flipper

                  Glory

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                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                    There are many problems with #USA #democracy

                    Like the stupid #ElectoralCollege

                    Gore beat Bush in 2000, Clinton beat Trump in 2016. In the popular vote. The EC erased it

                    Well here's another reason for you to #vote in the #primaries and the general #election:

                    The #Democrats, if they win enough in November, can kill the EC

                    It's been a 20 year effort of states agreeing to void the EC if enough agree: the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

                    Link Preview Image
                    A decades-long plan to abolish the Electoral College may finally pay off

                    A Democratic wave in 2026 could deliver the key remaining states needed for a popular vote system, under this proposal

                    favicon

                    Vox (www.vox.com)

                    Link Preview Image
                    National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia

                    favicon

                    (en.wikipedia.org)

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                    @benroyce I support the NPVIC but I wouldn't say it *kills* the EC. It kills its most pernicious effect, and that's a good thing, but it's still a first-past-the-post system that allows candidates to win without a majority of the vote. It would have stopped Trump in 2016 but not 2024.

                    It might be the best we can do without a constitutional amendment (assuming it survives the courts), so I support it for that reason. It's a good first step but it's not the last one.

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                      @grumble209

                      "It would sure be nice if it happened, though"

                      if that is what you believe, then put that in your words

                      why bring negativity and cynicism in your words on politics?

                      ever hear of self-fulfilling prophecy?

                      if you really believe it would be nice if something good happened, *say* that, *work* for that

                      if you are authentic, you can do some good by accentuating the positive

                      otherwise you merely become a shadow of the well-known troll psyop angle to suppress the vote with defeatism

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                      • thad@brontosin.spaceT thad@brontosin.space

                        @benroyce I support the NPVIC but I wouldn't say it *kills* the EC. It kills its most pernicious effect, and that's a good thing, but it's still a first-past-the-post system that allows candidates to win without a majority of the vote. It would have stopped Trump in 2016 but not 2024.

                        It might be the best we can do without a constitutional amendment (assuming it survives the courts), so I support it for that reason. It's a good first step but it's not the last one.

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                        #13

                        @Thad

                        oh yeah. there is a lot more to clean up

                        FPTP. gerrymandering. voter disenfranchisement. etc

                        it's just a nice step

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                          @grumble209

                          do not center your thoughts on the DNC

                          this is an error in perspective

                          fuck the DNC

                          the DNC is not alien omnipotent creatures from Alpha Centauri

                          in fact, they are quite weak

                          so we vote. and replace them

                          stop centering your thoughts on the DNC. stop it. ignore them, they are fragile

                          when people just vote for the left candidate, in the primaries and the general, we do a DNC takeover

                          when people whine about the DNC, they wind up not voting, so the DNC stays in power

                          you dig?

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                          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                            There are many problems with #USA #democracy

                            Like the stupid #ElectoralCollege

                            Gore beat Bush in 2000, Clinton beat Trump in 2016. In the popular vote. The EC erased it

                            Well here's another reason for you to #vote in the #primaries and the general #election:

                            The #Democrats, if they win enough in November, can kill the EC

                            It's been a 20 year effort of states agreeing to void the EC if enough agree: the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

                            Link Preview Image
                            A decades-long plan to abolish the Electoral College may finally pay off

                            A Democratic wave in 2026 could deliver the key remaining states needed for a popular vote system, under this proposal

                            favicon

                            Vox (www.vox.com)

                            Link Preview Image
                            National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia

                            favicon

                            (en.wikipedia.org)

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                            @benroyce

                            I do believe it will fall eventaully. I would love to see it happen before I die.

                            It's antiquated and dated and rooted in voter suppression at this point.

                            And the reality is it would benefit both parties. Blue voters in Oklahoma and Red voters in California will finally feel like their vote actually matters.

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                            • thad@brontosin.spaceT thad@brontosin.space

                              @benroyce I support the NPVIC but I wouldn't say it *kills* the EC. It kills its most pernicious effect, and that's a good thing, but it's still a first-past-the-post system that allows candidates to win without a majority of the vote. It would have stopped Trump in 2016 but not 2024.

                              It might be the best we can do without a constitutional amendment (assuming it survives the courts), so I support it for that reason. It's a good first step but it's not the last one.

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                              @Thad @benroyce While that’s true, think about how different the world would be if Trump had been sent packing in 2016.

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                              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                There are many problems with #USA #democracy

                                Like the stupid #ElectoralCollege

                                Gore beat Bush in 2000, Clinton beat Trump in 2016. In the popular vote. The EC erased it

                                Well here's another reason for you to #vote in the #primaries and the general #election:

                                The #Democrats, if they win enough in November, can kill the EC

                                It's been a 20 year effort of states agreeing to void the EC if enough agree: the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

                                Link Preview Image
                                A decades-long plan to abolish the Electoral College may finally pay off

                                A Democratic wave in 2026 could deliver the key remaining states needed for a popular vote system, under this proposal

                                favicon

                                Vox (www.vox.com)

                                Link Preview Image
                                National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia

                                favicon

                                (en.wikipedia.org)

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                                @benroyce Whatever led you to believe these midterms will be free & fair in any way? My aren't you a trusting soul. Bought any bridges yet?

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                                • beggarmidas@mastodon.socialB beggarmidas@mastodon.social

                                  @benroyce Whatever led you to believe these midterms will be free & fair in any way? My aren't you a trusting soul. Bought any bridges yet?

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                                  @Beggarmidas

                                  the votes are controlled by the states

                                  red states may do some shit, but they're already red

                                  cynicism isn't intelligence, in fact it's the weak easily pliable mind of willing submission to fascism

                                  what you represent, my good friend, is willing acceptance of the unacceptable. that's all your cynicism means. that's what your cynicism leads to. that's the quality of your mind. a rather garden variety flavor of cognitive weakness, and rather boring of you

                                  loser

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                                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                    @Beggarmidas

                                    the votes are controlled by the states

                                    red states may do some shit, but they're already red

                                    cynicism isn't intelligence, in fact it's the weak easily pliable mind of willing submission to fascism

                                    what you represent, my good friend, is willing acceptance of the unacceptable. that's all your cynicism means. that's what your cynicism leads to. that's the quality of your mind. a rather garden variety flavor of cognitive weakness, and rather boring of you

                                    loser

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                                    @benroyce *sigh* No, Pollyanna. I'm just aware that a cult of personality is already actively looking to bend the election in every way they accused their rivals of since 2020. That they'll deploy the cambridge analytica 2.0 they used to bend the last election causing MILLIONS to sit out the vote on the midterms too.
                                    Boss Tweeds playbook is back in town, and will curb stomp your california dreaming hippie ass if you presume any part of this upcoming election will be business as usual.
                                    Jackass.

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                                    • beggarmidas@mastodon.socialB beggarmidas@mastodon.social

                                      @benroyce *sigh* No, Pollyanna. I'm just aware that a cult of personality is already actively looking to bend the election in every way they accused their rivals of since 2020. That they'll deploy the cambridge analytica 2.0 they used to bend the last election causing MILLIONS to sit out the vote on the midterms too.
                                      Boss Tweeds playbook is back in town, and will curb stomp your california dreaming hippie ass if you presume any part of this upcoming election will be business as usual.
                                      Jackass.

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                                      #20

                                      @Beggarmidas

                                      😂

                                      yes it is true reality looks like airhead optimism to a rotten pathetic cynic

                                      but your real crime is just how boring and pedestrian you are

                                      you're typical. a dime a dozen. just another garden variety specimen in the endless sea of midwit cynicism. you all think you have special insight. you're all just articulating the small confines of your dim craniums

                                      very easy, very dull, and very irrelevant

                                      💋

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                                      • whitecattamer@mastodon.onlineW whitecattamer@mastodon.online

                                        @Thad @benroyce While that’s true, think about how different the world would be if Trump had been sent packing in 2016.

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                                        #21

                                        @WhiteCatTamer Or Bush in 2000.

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          There are many problems with #USA #democracy

                                          Like the stupid #ElectoralCollege

                                          Gore beat Bush in 2000, Clinton beat Trump in 2016. In the popular vote. The EC erased it

                                          Well here's another reason for you to #vote in the #primaries and the general #election:

                                          The #Democrats, if they win enough in November, can kill the EC

                                          It's been a 20 year effort of states agreeing to void the EC if enough agree: the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

                                          Link Preview Image
                                          A decades-long plan to abolish the Electoral College may finally pay off

                                          A Democratic wave in 2026 could deliver the key remaining states needed for a popular vote system, under this proposal

                                          favicon

                                          Vox (www.vox.com)

                                          Link Preview Image
                                          National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia

                                          favicon

                                          (en.wikipedia.org)

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                                          @benroyce I am not an #American, but I have worked with Americans a lot, so I consider them mostly very nice, but very specific people.
                                          I would call them "a person who is guaranteed to have a #gun in his pocket".
                                          I completely agree with you that those who won by votes at that time would have won better.
                                          But I never cease to remember what "weapons" the majority has when it is not always right.
                                          So far, your system limits such a majority from the ability to use what #weapons.

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