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  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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    #4

    @flipper

    doesn't matter

    there is only the good fight in this world. now and forever

    imagining scenarios where we lose is defeatism, cynicism, weakness. it saps the will to fight

    so we keep fighting

    always

    there's always setbacks

    who cares

    that's life

    fight, fight, fight

    and you know what happens if you keep fighting?

    it get's easier

    while not fighting makes the good struggle harder

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      wtf

      they paywall code also shows up in the archive.org link

      😩

      i don't know what to do

      try reading this from 3 weeks ago instead. it's not the same juicy details, but it argues the same gist after Virginia got on board:

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      Virginia joins a national effort to ensure only popular vote winners become president

      With Virginia on board, the National Popular Vote Compact is now enacted in states worth 222 electoral votes. Here's what that means.

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      nemo@mas.toN This user is from outside of this forum
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      #5

      @benroyce

      Here you go https://archive.is/xwSo3

      And yeah, I know they have their fair share of controversy; still, there is no alternative to them yet. GhostArchive can't be used with Tor, and Mr. Krebs, the IT guy, also uses this, so… 🤷 Meh…

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      • nemo@mas.toN nemo@mas.to

        @benroyce

        Here you go https://archive.is/xwSo3

        And yeah, I know they have their fair share of controversy; still, there is no alternative to them yet. GhostArchive can't be used with Tor, and Mr. Krebs, the IT guy, also uses this, so… 🤷 Meh…

        benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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        #6

        @nemo

        thank you

        {hat tip}

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          #7

          @grumble209

          yeah last time we interacted i forced you to unfollow me

          nobody is interested in your debbie downer shit Grumble

          at least your account is well named

          otherwise fuck off with your defeatist shit

          that's a you problem, not an us problem

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          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

            @nemo

            thank you

            {hat tip}

            nemo@mas.toN This user is from outside of this forum
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            @benroyce My pleasure 😁 👍

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            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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              #9

              @flipper

              ✅

              🤬

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              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                @flipper

                doesn't matter

                there is only the good fight in this world. now and forever

                imagining scenarios where we lose is defeatism, cynicism, weakness. it saps the will to fight

                so we keep fighting

                always

                there's always setbacks

                who cares

                that's life

                fight, fight, fight

                and you know what happens if you keep fighting?

                it get's easier

                while not fighting makes the good struggle harder

                catdragon@mastodon.worldC This user is from outside of this forum
                catdragon@mastodon.worldC This user is from outside of this forum
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                #10

                @benroyce @flipper

                Glory

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  There are many problems with #USA #democracy

                  Like the stupid #ElectoralCollege

                  Gore beat Bush in 2000, Clinton beat Trump in 2016. In the popular vote. The EC erased it

                  Well here's another reason for you to #vote in the #primaries and the general #election:

                  The #Democrats, if they win enough in November, can kill the EC

                  It's been a 20 year effort of states agreeing to void the EC if enough agree: the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

                  Link Preview Image
                  A decades-long plan to abolish the Electoral College may finally pay off

                  A Democratic wave in 2026 could deliver the key remaining states needed for a popular vote system, under this proposal

                  favicon

                  Vox (www.vox.com)

                  Link Preview Image
                  National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia

                  favicon

                  (en.wikipedia.org)

                  thad@brontosin.spaceT This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @benroyce I support the NPVIC but I wouldn't say it *kills* the EC. It kills its most pernicious effect, and that's a good thing, but it's still a first-past-the-post system that allows candidates to win without a majority of the vote. It would have stopped Trump in 2016 but not 2024.

                  It might be the best we can do without a constitutional amendment (assuming it survives the courts), so I support it for that reason. It's a good first step but it's not the last one.

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                    #12

                    @grumble209

                    "It would sure be nice if it happened, though"

                    if that is what you believe, then put that in your words

                    why bring negativity and cynicism in your words on politics?

                    ever hear of self-fulfilling prophecy?

                    if you really believe it would be nice if something good happened, *say* that, *work* for that

                    if you are authentic, you can do some good by accentuating the positive

                    otherwise you merely become a shadow of the well-known troll psyop angle to suppress the vote with defeatism

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                    • thad@brontosin.spaceT thad@brontosin.space

                      @benroyce I support the NPVIC but I wouldn't say it *kills* the EC. It kills its most pernicious effect, and that's a good thing, but it's still a first-past-the-post system that allows candidates to win without a majority of the vote. It would have stopped Trump in 2016 but not 2024.

                      It might be the best we can do without a constitutional amendment (assuming it survives the courts), so I support it for that reason. It's a good first step but it's not the last one.

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                      #13

                      @Thad

                      oh yeah. there is a lot more to clean up

                      FPTP. gerrymandering. voter disenfranchisement. etc

                      it's just a nice step

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                        #14

                        @grumble209

                        do not center your thoughts on the DNC

                        this is an error in perspective

                        fuck the DNC

                        the DNC is not alien omnipotent creatures from Alpha Centauri

                        in fact, they are quite weak

                        so we vote. and replace them

                        stop centering your thoughts on the DNC. stop it. ignore them, they are fragile

                        when people just vote for the left candidate, in the primaries and the general, we do a DNC takeover

                        when people whine about the DNC, they wind up not voting, so the DNC stays in power

                        you dig?

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                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                          There are many problems with #USA #democracy

                          Like the stupid #ElectoralCollege

                          Gore beat Bush in 2000, Clinton beat Trump in 2016. In the popular vote. The EC erased it

                          Well here's another reason for you to #vote in the #primaries and the general #election:

                          The #Democrats, if they win enough in November, can kill the EC

                          It's been a 20 year effort of states agreeing to void the EC if enough agree: the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

                          Link Preview Image
                          A decades-long plan to abolish the Electoral College may finally pay off

                          A Democratic wave in 2026 could deliver the key remaining states needed for a popular vote system, under this proposal

                          favicon

                          Vox (www.vox.com)

                          Link Preview Image
                          National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia

                          favicon

                          (en.wikipedia.org)

                          rvlara23@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #15

                          @benroyce

                          I do believe it will fall eventaully. I would love to see it happen before I die.

                          It's antiquated and dated and rooted in voter suppression at this point.

                          And the reality is it would benefit both parties. Blue voters in Oklahoma and Red voters in California will finally feel like their vote actually matters.

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                          • thad@brontosin.spaceT thad@brontosin.space

                            @benroyce I support the NPVIC but I wouldn't say it *kills* the EC. It kills its most pernicious effect, and that's a good thing, but it's still a first-past-the-post system that allows candidates to win without a majority of the vote. It would have stopped Trump in 2016 but not 2024.

                            It might be the best we can do without a constitutional amendment (assuming it survives the courts), so I support it for that reason. It's a good first step but it's not the last one.

                            whitecattamer@mastodon.onlineW This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @Thad @benroyce While that’s true, think about how different the world would be if Trump had been sent packing in 2016.

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                            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                              There are many problems with #USA #democracy

                              Like the stupid #ElectoralCollege

                              Gore beat Bush in 2000, Clinton beat Trump in 2016. In the popular vote. The EC erased it

                              Well here's another reason for you to #vote in the #primaries and the general #election:

                              The #Democrats, if they win enough in November, can kill the EC

                              It's been a 20 year effort of states agreeing to void the EC if enough agree: the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

                              Link Preview Image
                              A decades-long plan to abolish the Electoral College may finally pay off

                              A Democratic wave in 2026 could deliver the key remaining states needed for a popular vote system, under this proposal

                              favicon

                              Vox (www.vox.com)

                              Link Preview Image
                              National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia

                              favicon

                              (en.wikipedia.org)

                              beggarmidas@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @benroyce Whatever led you to believe these midterms will be free & fair in any way? My aren't you a trusting soul. Bought any bridges yet?

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                              • beggarmidas@mastodon.socialB beggarmidas@mastodon.social

                                @benroyce Whatever led you to believe these midterms will be free & fair in any way? My aren't you a trusting soul. Bought any bridges yet?

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                                @Beggarmidas

                                the votes are controlled by the states

                                red states may do some shit, but they're already red

                                cynicism isn't intelligence, in fact it's the weak easily pliable mind of willing submission to fascism

                                what you represent, my good friend, is willing acceptance of the unacceptable. that's all your cynicism means. that's what your cynicism leads to. that's the quality of your mind. a rather garden variety flavor of cognitive weakness, and rather boring of you

                                loser

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                                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                  @Beggarmidas

                                  the votes are controlled by the states

                                  red states may do some shit, but they're already red

                                  cynicism isn't intelligence, in fact it's the weak easily pliable mind of willing submission to fascism

                                  what you represent, my good friend, is willing acceptance of the unacceptable. that's all your cynicism means. that's what your cynicism leads to. that's the quality of your mind. a rather garden variety flavor of cognitive weakness, and rather boring of you

                                  loser

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                                  @benroyce *sigh* No, Pollyanna. I'm just aware that a cult of personality is already actively looking to bend the election in every way they accused their rivals of since 2020. That they'll deploy the cambridge analytica 2.0 they used to bend the last election causing MILLIONS to sit out the vote on the midterms too.
                                  Boss Tweeds playbook is back in town, and will curb stomp your california dreaming hippie ass if you presume any part of this upcoming election will be business as usual.
                                  Jackass.

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                                  • beggarmidas@mastodon.socialB beggarmidas@mastodon.social

                                    @benroyce *sigh* No, Pollyanna. I'm just aware that a cult of personality is already actively looking to bend the election in every way they accused their rivals of since 2020. That they'll deploy the cambridge analytica 2.0 they used to bend the last election causing MILLIONS to sit out the vote on the midterms too.
                                    Boss Tweeds playbook is back in town, and will curb stomp your california dreaming hippie ass if you presume any part of this upcoming election will be business as usual.
                                    Jackass.

                                    benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #20

                                    @Beggarmidas

                                    😂

                                    yes it is true reality looks like airhead optimism to a rotten pathetic cynic

                                    but your real crime is just how boring and pedestrian you are

                                    you're typical. a dime a dozen. just another garden variety specimen in the endless sea of midwit cynicism. you all think you have special insight. you're all just articulating the small confines of your dim craniums

                                    very easy, very dull, and very irrelevant

                                    💋

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                                    • whitecattamer@mastodon.onlineW whitecattamer@mastodon.online

                                      @Thad @benroyce While that’s true, think about how different the world would be if Trump had been sent packing in 2016.

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                                      @WhiteCatTamer Or Bush in 2000.

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                                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                        There are many problems with #USA #democracy

                                        Like the stupid #ElectoralCollege

                                        Gore beat Bush in 2000, Clinton beat Trump in 2016. In the popular vote. The EC erased it

                                        Well here's another reason for you to #vote in the #primaries and the general #election:

                                        The #Democrats, if they win enough in November, can kill the EC

                                        It's been a 20 year effort of states agreeing to void the EC if enough agree: the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

                                        Link Preview Image
                                        A decades-long plan to abolish the Electoral College may finally pay off

                                        A Democratic wave in 2026 could deliver the key remaining states needed for a popular vote system, under this proposal

                                        favicon

                                        Vox (www.vox.com)

                                        Link Preview Image
                                        National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia

                                        favicon

                                        (en.wikipedia.org)

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                                        @benroyce I am not an #American, but I have worked with Americans a lot, so I consider them mostly very nice, but very specific people.
                                        I would call them "a person who is guaranteed to have a #gun in his pocket".
                                        I completely agree with you that those who won by votes at that time would have won better.
                                        But I never cease to remember what "weapons" the majority has when it is not always right.
                                        So far, your system limits such a majority from the ability to use what #weapons.

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                                        • dotyk@mastodon.socialD dotyk@mastodon.social

                                          @benroyce I am not an #American, but I have worked with Americans a lot, so I consider them mostly very nice, but very specific people.
                                          I would call them "a person who is guaranteed to have a #gun in his pocket".
                                          I completely agree with you that those who won by votes at that time would have won better.
                                          But I never cease to remember what "weapons" the majority has when it is not always right.
                                          So far, your system limits such a majority from the ability to use what #weapons.

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                                          @dotyk

                                          the love of guns in the usa is one hell of a delusional, fucked up and deeply weird religion

                                          i understand owning a shotgun on a farm. it makes sense

                                          but hotheads walking around with handguns are introducing a level of jeopardy in their lives, predicated on believing they are some sort of paladin or superhero. when all they are really doing is introducing death, perhaps their own, in situations that never have to go there. or even if it does go there, it's rolling the dice on your life

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