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  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

    There are many problems with #USA #democracy

    Like the stupid #ElectoralCollege

    Gore beat Bush in 2000, Clinton beat Trump in 2016. In the popular vote. The EC erased it

    Well here's another reason for you to #vote in the #primaries and the general #election:

    The #Democrats, if they win enough in November, can kill the EC

    It's been a 20 year effort of states agreeing to void the EC if enough agree: the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

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    A decades-long plan to abolish the Electoral College may finally pay off

    A Democratic wave in 2026 could deliver the key remaining states needed for a popular vote system, under this proposal

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    oops

    the Vox article paywalled

    here's the archive.org link to read it:

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    A Democratic wave in 2026 could deliver the key remaining states needed for a popular vote system, under this proposal

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      oops

      the Vox article paywalled

      here's the archive.org link to read it:

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      A decades-long plan to abolish the Electoral College may finally pay off

      A Democratic wave in 2026 could deliver the key remaining states needed for a popular vote system, under this proposal

      favicon

      Vox (web.archive.org)

      benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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      #3

      wtf

      they paywall code also shows up in the archive.org link

      😩

      i don't know what to do

      try reading this from 3 weeks ago instead. it's not the same juicy details, but it argues the same gist after Virginia got on board:

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      Virginia joins a national effort to ensure only popular vote winners become president

      With Virginia on board, the National Popular Vote Compact is now enacted in states worth 222 electoral votes. Here's what that means.

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      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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        #4

        @flipper

        doesn't matter

        there is only the good fight in this world. now and forever

        imagining scenarios where we lose is defeatism, cynicism, weakness. it saps the will to fight

        so we keep fighting

        always

        there's always setbacks

        who cares

        that's life

        fight, fight, fight

        and you know what happens if you keep fighting?

        it get's easier

        while not fighting makes the good struggle harder

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          wtf

          they paywall code also shows up in the archive.org link

          😩

          i don't know what to do

          try reading this from 3 weeks ago instead. it's not the same juicy details, but it argues the same gist after Virginia got on board:

          Link Preview Image
          Virginia joins a national effort to ensure only popular vote winners become president

          With Virginia on board, the National Popular Vote Compact is now enacted in states worth 222 electoral votes. Here's what that means.

          favicon

          NPR (www.npr.org)

          nemo@mas.toN This user is from outside of this forum
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          #5

          @benroyce

          Here you go https://archive.is/xwSo3

          And yeah, I know they have their fair share of controversy; still, there is no alternative to them yet. GhostArchive can't be used with Tor, and Mr. Krebs, the IT guy, also uses this, so… 🤷 Meh…

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          • nemo@mas.toN nemo@mas.to

            @benroyce

            Here you go https://archive.is/xwSo3

            And yeah, I know they have their fair share of controversy; still, there is no alternative to them yet. GhostArchive can't be used with Tor, and Mr. Krebs, the IT guy, also uses this, so… 🤷 Meh…

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            #6

            @nemo

            thank you

            {hat tip}

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              #7

              @grumble209

              yeah last time we interacted i forced you to unfollow me

              nobody is interested in your debbie downer shit Grumble

              at least your account is well named

              otherwise fuck off with your defeatist shit

              that's a you problem, not an us problem

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              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                @nemo

                thank you

                {hat tip}

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                #8

                @benroyce My pleasure 😁 👍

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                  #9

                  @flipper

                  ✅

                  🤬

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                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                    @flipper

                    doesn't matter

                    there is only the good fight in this world. now and forever

                    imagining scenarios where we lose is defeatism, cynicism, weakness. it saps the will to fight

                    so we keep fighting

                    always

                    there's always setbacks

                    who cares

                    that's life

                    fight, fight, fight

                    and you know what happens if you keep fighting?

                    it get's easier

                    while not fighting makes the good struggle harder

                    catdragon@mastodon.worldC This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #10

                    @benroyce @flipper

                    Glory

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      There are many problems with #USA #democracy

                      Like the stupid #ElectoralCollege

                      Gore beat Bush in 2000, Clinton beat Trump in 2016. In the popular vote. The EC erased it

                      Well here's another reason for you to #vote in the #primaries and the general #election:

                      The #Democrats, if they win enough in November, can kill the EC

                      It's been a 20 year effort of states agreeing to void the EC if enough agree: the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

                      Link Preview Image
                      A decades-long plan to abolish the Electoral College may finally pay off

                      A Democratic wave in 2026 could deliver the key remaining states needed for a popular vote system, under this proposal

                      favicon

                      Vox (www.vox.com)

                      Link Preview Image
                      National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia

                      favicon

                      (en.wikipedia.org)

                      thad@brontosin.spaceT This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #11

                      @benroyce I support the NPVIC but I wouldn't say it *kills* the EC. It kills its most pernicious effect, and that's a good thing, but it's still a first-past-the-post system that allows candidates to win without a majority of the vote. It would have stopped Trump in 2016 but not 2024.

                      It might be the best we can do without a constitutional amendment (assuming it survives the courts), so I support it for that reason. It's a good first step but it's not the last one.

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                        @grumble209

                        "It would sure be nice if it happened, though"

                        if that is what you believe, then put that in your words

                        why bring negativity and cynicism in your words on politics?

                        ever hear of self-fulfilling prophecy?

                        if you really believe it would be nice if something good happened, *say* that, *work* for that

                        if you are authentic, you can do some good by accentuating the positive

                        otherwise you merely become a shadow of the well-known troll psyop angle to suppress the vote with defeatism

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                        • thad@brontosin.spaceT thad@brontosin.space

                          @benroyce I support the NPVIC but I wouldn't say it *kills* the EC. It kills its most pernicious effect, and that's a good thing, but it's still a first-past-the-post system that allows candidates to win without a majority of the vote. It would have stopped Trump in 2016 but not 2024.

                          It might be the best we can do without a constitutional amendment (assuming it survives the courts), so I support it for that reason. It's a good first step but it's not the last one.

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                          @Thad

                          oh yeah. there is a lot more to clean up

                          FPTP. gerrymandering. voter disenfranchisement. etc

                          it's just a nice step

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                            @grumble209

                            do not center your thoughts on the DNC

                            this is an error in perspective

                            fuck the DNC

                            the DNC is not alien omnipotent creatures from Alpha Centauri

                            in fact, they are quite weak

                            so we vote. and replace them

                            stop centering your thoughts on the DNC. stop it. ignore them, they are fragile

                            when people just vote for the left candidate, in the primaries and the general, we do a DNC takeover

                            when people whine about the DNC, they wind up not voting, so the DNC stays in power

                            you dig?

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                            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                              There are many problems with #USA #democracy

                              Like the stupid #ElectoralCollege

                              Gore beat Bush in 2000, Clinton beat Trump in 2016. In the popular vote. The EC erased it

                              Well here's another reason for you to #vote in the #primaries and the general #election:

                              The #Democrats, if they win enough in November, can kill the EC

                              It's been a 20 year effort of states agreeing to void the EC if enough agree: the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

                              Link Preview Image
                              A decades-long plan to abolish the Electoral College may finally pay off

                              A Democratic wave in 2026 could deliver the key remaining states needed for a popular vote system, under this proposal

                              favicon

                              Vox (www.vox.com)

                              Link Preview Image
                              National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia

                              favicon

                              (en.wikipedia.org)

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                              @benroyce

                              I do believe it will fall eventaully. I would love to see it happen before I die.

                              It's antiquated and dated and rooted in voter suppression at this point.

                              And the reality is it would benefit both parties. Blue voters in Oklahoma and Red voters in California will finally feel like their vote actually matters.

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                              • thad@brontosin.spaceT thad@brontosin.space

                                @benroyce I support the NPVIC but I wouldn't say it *kills* the EC. It kills its most pernicious effect, and that's a good thing, but it's still a first-past-the-post system that allows candidates to win without a majority of the vote. It would have stopped Trump in 2016 but not 2024.

                                It might be the best we can do without a constitutional amendment (assuming it survives the courts), so I support it for that reason. It's a good first step but it's not the last one.

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                                @Thad @benroyce While that’s true, think about how different the world would be if Trump had been sent packing in 2016.

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                                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                  There are many problems with #USA #democracy

                                  Like the stupid #ElectoralCollege

                                  Gore beat Bush in 2000, Clinton beat Trump in 2016. In the popular vote. The EC erased it

                                  Well here's another reason for you to #vote in the #primaries and the general #election:

                                  The #Democrats, if they win enough in November, can kill the EC

                                  It's been a 20 year effort of states agreeing to void the EC if enough agree: the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

                                  Link Preview Image
                                  A decades-long plan to abolish the Electoral College may finally pay off

                                  A Democratic wave in 2026 could deliver the key remaining states needed for a popular vote system, under this proposal

                                  favicon

                                  Vox (www.vox.com)

                                  Link Preview Image
                                  National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia

                                  favicon

                                  (en.wikipedia.org)

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                                  @benroyce Whatever led you to believe these midterms will be free & fair in any way? My aren't you a trusting soul. Bought any bridges yet?

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                                  • beggarmidas@mastodon.socialB beggarmidas@mastodon.social

                                    @benroyce Whatever led you to believe these midterms will be free & fair in any way? My aren't you a trusting soul. Bought any bridges yet?

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                                    @Beggarmidas

                                    the votes are controlled by the states

                                    red states may do some shit, but they're already red

                                    cynicism isn't intelligence, in fact it's the weak easily pliable mind of willing submission to fascism

                                    what you represent, my good friend, is willing acceptance of the unacceptable. that's all your cynicism means. that's what your cynicism leads to. that's the quality of your mind. a rather garden variety flavor of cognitive weakness, and rather boring of you

                                    loser

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                                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                      @Beggarmidas

                                      the votes are controlled by the states

                                      red states may do some shit, but they're already red

                                      cynicism isn't intelligence, in fact it's the weak easily pliable mind of willing submission to fascism

                                      what you represent, my good friend, is willing acceptance of the unacceptable. that's all your cynicism means. that's what your cynicism leads to. that's the quality of your mind. a rather garden variety flavor of cognitive weakness, and rather boring of you

                                      loser

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                                      @benroyce *sigh* No, Pollyanna. I'm just aware that a cult of personality is already actively looking to bend the election in every way they accused their rivals of since 2020. That they'll deploy the cambridge analytica 2.0 they used to bend the last election causing MILLIONS to sit out the vote on the midterms too.
                                      Boss Tweeds playbook is back in town, and will curb stomp your california dreaming hippie ass if you presume any part of this upcoming election will be business as usual.
                                      Jackass.

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                                      • beggarmidas@mastodon.socialB beggarmidas@mastodon.social

                                        @benroyce *sigh* No, Pollyanna. I'm just aware that a cult of personality is already actively looking to bend the election in every way they accused their rivals of since 2020. That they'll deploy the cambridge analytica 2.0 they used to bend the last election causing MILLIONS to sit out the vote on the midterms too.
                                        Boss Tweeds playbook is back in town, and will curb stomp your california dreaming hippie ass if you presume any part of this upcoming election will be business as usual.
                                        Jackass.

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                                        #20

                                        @Beggarmidas

                                        😂

                                        yes it is true reality looks like airhead optimism to a rotten pathetic cynic

                                        but your real crime is just how boring and pedestrian you are

                                        you're typical. a dime a dozen. just another garden variety specimen in the endless sea of midwit cynicism. you all think you have special insight. you're all just articulating the small confines of your dim craniums

                                        very easy, very dull, and very irrelevant

                                        💋

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                                        • whitecattamer@mastodon.onlineW whitecattamer@mastodon.online

                                          @Thad @benroyce While that’s true, think about how different the world would be if Trump had been sent packing in 2016.

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                                          #21

                                          @WhiteCatTamer Or Bush in 2000.

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