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There's a person on here sealioning in my mentions about mansplaining and demanding criteria for adjudicating whether any individual comment is or is not mansplaining.

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  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

    There's a person on here sealioning in my mentions about mansplaining and demanding criteria for adjudicating whether any individual comment is or is not mansplaining.

    This is, of course, asking the wrong question: It's asking "How do I defend myself against accusation?" rather than "How do I interact with people (esp women sharing their expertise) respectfully?"

    wendynather@infosec.exchangeW This user is from outside of this forum
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    @emilymbender “ … while remaining the smartest person in the room?” I mean, if you can’t show off your expertise, what’s the point of public discourse? 😉

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    • wobweger@mstdn.socialW wobweger@mstdn.social

      @emilymbender

      a useful flowchart for the guy,
      little hint his decision is bottom left.

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      Prof. Sam Lawler (@sundogplanets@mastodon.social)

      Attached: 1 image I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences.... https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

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      jjcelery@mastodon.ieJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      @wobweger @emilymbender I also love this gem:

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      How to give advice on the internet without being an utter menace

      If you don't think you need to read this post because you're always giving Good, Helpful Advice as a Good, Helpful Citizen, this one is for you. I'm sure you probably mean well, but it is with a heavy heart that I must inform you that you've likely annoyed the hell out of someone at…

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        @wobweger @emilymbender I also love this gem:

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        How to give advice on the internet without being an utter menace

        If you don't think you need to read this post because you're always giving Good, Helpful Advice as a Good, Helpful Citizen, this one is for you. I'm sure you probably mean well, but it is with a heavy heart that I must inform you that you've likely annoyed the hell out of someone at…

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        Another angry woman (anotherangrywoman.com)

        baconandcoconut@freeradical.zoneB This user is from outside of this forum
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        @jjcelery @wobweger @emilymbender LOL, Love the Clippy rant in here.

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        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

          There's a person on here sealioning in my mentions about mansplaining and demanding criteria for adjudicating whether any individual comment is or is not mansplaining.

          This is, of course, asking the wrong question: It's asking "How do I defend myself against accusation?" rather than "How do I interact with people (esp women sharing their expertise) respectfully?"

          lisamelton@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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          @emilymbender Obviously this person is a dude, right? I'm so sorry you're dealing with this bullshit. It just never stops, does it? 🤦‍♀️

          emilymbender@dair-community.socialE airwhale@beige.partyA 2 Replies Last reply
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          • lisamelton@mastodon.socialL lisamelton@mastodon.social

            @emilymbender Obviously this person is a dude, right? I'm so sorry you're dealing with this bullshit. It just never stops, does it? 🤦‍♀️

            emilymbender@dair-community.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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            @lisamelton It's endless, and somehow much worse on the Fediverse than elsewhere.

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            • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

              There's a person on here sealioning in my mentions about mansplaining and demanding criteria for adjudicating whether any individual comment is or is not mansplaining.

              This is, of course, asking the wrong question: It's asking "How do I defend myself against accusation?" rather than "How do I interact with people (esp women sharing their expertise) respectfully?"

              davey_cakes@mastodon.ieD This user is from outside of this forum
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              davey_cakes@mastodon.ie
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              @emilymbender I love your work and I am sorry that some servers will not come and get their men

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              • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                @lisamelton It's endless, and somehow much worse on the Fediverse than elsewhere.

                lisamelton@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                @emilymbender Ouch! 😬

                We need to fix this here but I'm not sure how. If I can help in any way please let me know.

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                • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                  There's a person on here sealioning in my mentions about mansplaining and demanding criteria for adjudicating whether any individual comment is or is not mansplaining.

                  This is, of course, asking the wrong question: It's asking "How do I defend myself against accusation?" rather than "How do I interact with people (esp women sharing their expertise) respectfully?"

                  bodling@deacon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @emilymbender I did not know the term sealioning until just now. I've learned something from you today. Thanks.

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                  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                    There's a person on here sealioning in my mentions about mansplaining and demanding criteria for adjudicating whether any individual comment is or is not mansplaining.

                    This is, of course, asking the wrong question: It's asking "How do I defend myself against accusation?" rather than "How do I interact with people (esp women sharing their expertise) respectfully?"

                    millardjk@vmst.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @emilymbender hmmm… If only someone would publish a flow chart or decision tree that assist in learning?

                    Oh. Right. (Scrolls up…)

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                    • lisamelton@mastodon.socialL lisamelton@mastodon.social

                      @emilymbender Obviously this person is a dude, right? I'm so sorry you're dealing with this bullshit. It just never stops, does it? 🤦‍♀️

                      airwhale@beige.partyA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @lisamelton @emilymbender

                      I really hate how "dude" is no longer something cool.

                      Re: The Big Lebowski and that excellent 1980 album by Quincy Jones…

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                      • airwhale@beige.partyA airwhale@beige.party

                        @lisamelton @emilymbender

                        I really hate how "dude" is no longer something cool.

                        Re: The Big Lebowski and that excellent 1980 album by Quincy Jones…

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                        @airwhale Jeff Bridges is *The* Dude. And he abides.

                        Everyone else? Not so much.

                        So, yeah, it has become a moniker of derision. And it's still a *gendered* moniker. Something I wish the younger generation of women would realize.

                        @emilymbender

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                        • lisamelton@mastodon.socialL lisamelton@mastodon.social

                          @emilymbender Ouch! 😬

                          We need to fix this here but I'm not sure how. If I can help in any way please let me know.

                          michaelgemar@cosocial.caM This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @lisamelton @emilymbender Would other dudes calling them out be helpful?

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                          • michaelgemar@cosocial.caM michaelgemar@cosocial.ca

                            @lisamelton @emilymbender Would other dudes calling them out be helpful?

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                            @michaelgemar Yes! 💯

                            It certainly couldn't hurt.

                            @emilymbender

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                            • davey_cakes@mastodon.ieD davey_cakes@mastodon.ie

                              @emilymbender I love your work and I am sorry that some servers will not come and get their men

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                              If it's the account I think it may be, the account either no longer exists, or is at least hidden from public view.
                              @davey_cakes @emilymbender

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                              • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                There's a person on here sealioning in my mentions about mansplaining and demanding criteria for adjudicating whether any individual comment is or is not mansplaining.

                                This is, of course, asking the wrong question: It's asking "How do I defend myself against accusation?" rather than "How do I interact with people (esp women sharing their expertise) respectfully?"

                                nilajones@zeroes.caN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @emilymbender

                                Very insightful distinction

                                I'm sorry you're getting all this bullshit

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                                • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                  There's a person on here sealioning in my mentions about mansplaining and demanding criteria for adjudicating whether any individual comment is or is not mansplaining.

                                  This is, of course, asking the wrong question: It's asking "How do I defend myself against accusation?" rather than "How do I interact with people (esp women sharing their expertise) respectfully?"

                                  whitecattamer@mastodon.onlineW This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @emilymbender What’s sad is that I think the root issue is the constant anxiety associated with social media and being read in bad/confused faith, and rather than lean into the “social” aspect of SM and just continue conversations with those that treat you like a person while accepting that flawed human beings will misread you or you’ll misspeak/be wrong but within the tension lies growth, this guy wants the final cheat code to get out of experiencing social disapproval.

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                                  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                    There's a person on here sealioning in my mentions about mansplaining and demanding criteria for adjudicating whether any individual comment is or is not mansplaining.

                                    This is, of course, asking the wrong question: It's asking "How do I defend myself against accusation?" rather than "How do I interact with people (esp women sharing their expertise) respectfully?"

                                    chronodm@glammr.usC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @emilymbender @yo_bj looking forward to the same person mansplaining what is or is not sealioning, where by looking forward I mean :headdesk:

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                                    • whitecattamer@mastodon.onlineW whitecattamer@mastodon.online

                                      @emilymbender What’s sad is that I think the root issue is the constant anxiety associated with social media and being read in bad/confused faith, and rather than lean into the “social” aspect of SM and just continue conversations with those that treat you like a person while accepting that flawed human beings will misread you or you’ll misspeak/be wrong but within the tension lies growth, this guy wants the final cheat code to get out of experiencing social disapproval.

                                      emilymbender@dair-community.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @WhiteCatTamer I read him differently---I don't think he has any anxiety. I think he wants to "prove" that I am wrong for calling someone out for mansplaining (and then calling him out for mansplaining the mansplaining).

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                                      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                        @WhiteCatTamer I read him differently---I don't think he has any anxiety. I think he wants to "prove" that I am wrong for calling someone out for mansplaining (and then calling him out for mansplaining the mansplaining).

                                        whitecattamer@mastodon.onlineW This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @emilymbender Ah, gotcha; swinging right out of the gate. Ugh. Sorry, that’s tiresome. 😕

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                                        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                          There's a person on here sealioning in my mentions about mansplaining and demanding criteria for adjudicating whether any individual comment is or is not mansplaining.

                                          This is, of course, asking the wrong question: It's asking "How do I defend myself against accusation?" rather than "How do I interact with people (esp women sharing their expertise) respectfully?"

                                          goss@c.imG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @emilymbender

                                          Every time I experience an exceptional woman I am reminded of the tremendous waste of human potential existing in deeply misogynistic cultures.

                                          Having said that, back in my day, pre Internet Usenet, we already figured this out - dont feed the trolls.

                                          emilymbender@dair-community.socialE zdl@mstdn.socialZ 2 Replies Last reply
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