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Google's antonymous taxi company says it won't obey traffic safety laws because its customers want convenience, so screw those bicyclists who don't want to be injured or killed.

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  • nakedgerry@mastodon.socialN nakedgerry@mastodon.social

    @dangillmor @paulk Grief! These things are going to be so unpredictable that they will be lethal and should just be banned.

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    @nakedgerry It's "Terminator". It just looks different.

    @dangillmor

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    • newint@todon.nlN newint@todon.nl

      @dangillmor Which problem do these self-driving vehicles solve, which issue is so pressing, that we have to dedicate development time and sacrifice existing infrastructure? We don’t need flying taxis and self driving cars. We need separate bicycle lanes, affordable and reliable public transport, clean air, etc. which benefit all, not just some tech companies.

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      @newint @dangillmor The "problem" is that humans need to eat and therefore don't act as drivers for free, which means their pay reduces the profits of the broligarchs.

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      • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

        Google's antonymous taxi company says it won't obey traffic safety laws because its customers want convenience, so screw those bicyclists who don't want to be injured or killed.

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        Expecting driverless taxis to respect bike lanes “too high a bar” – because customers want to be dropped off in them, autonomous vehicle firm Waymo tells cyclists

        Waymo, the autonomous driving tech firm whose so-called ‘robo-taxis’ are now roaming the streets of London, has allegedly told cycling campaigners that expecting their driverless cars to respect cycle lanes is “too high a bar” – because their customers want to be dropped off in them.But Waymo has denied making such a claim, instead pointing ... Read more

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        @dangillmor TBH, I'd consider any Cyclist poppin' 9x19mm +P+ SJHP (regular 9mm.won't go through tires) into any of those shit vehicles' tires an act of "self & mutual defense" against murder by car…

        • Or just place Calthrops on the markings if not sprinkle them before said cars.

        #Sarcasm #Commentary #NotLegalAdvice #Waymo #CarBrain #CarCentrism #cycling #safety #RoadSafety

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        • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

          Google's antonymous taxi company says it won't obey traffic safety laws because its customers want convenience, so screw those bicyclists who don't want to be injured or killed.

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          Expecting driverless taxis to respect bike lanes “too high a bar” – because customers want to be dropped off in them, autonomous vehicle firm Waymo tells cyclists

          Waymo, the autonomous driving tech firm whose so-called ‘robo-taxis’ are now roaming the streets of London, has allegedly told cycling campaigners that expecting their driverless cars to respect cycle lanes is “too high a bar” – because their customers want to be dropped off in them.But Waymo has denied making such a claim, instead pointing ... Read more

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          @dangillmor if this is the future count me out.

          But also... this makes a stronger argument for separate zones and bike lanes protected by some kind of barrier. I'm also strongly in favour of less space to be given to cars altogether - the emphasis for future planning should be more pedestrian / cycle and public transport.

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          • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

            Google's antonymous taxi company says it won't obey traffic safety laws because its customers want convenience, so screw those bicyclists who don't want to be injured or killed.

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            Expecting driverless taxis to respect bike lanes “too high a bar” – because customers want to be dropped off in them, autonomous vehicle firm Waymo tells cyclists

            Waymo, the autonomous driving tech firm whose so-called ‘robo-taxis’ are now roaming the streets of London, has allegedly told cycling campaigners that expecting their driverless cars to respect cycle lanes is “too high a bar” – because their customers want to be dropped off in them.But Waymo has denied making such a claim, instead pointing ... Read more

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            @dangillmor The idea that they're just going to run people and cyclists over willy nilly is absurd. I work in the industry (not for Waymo) and dealt with multiple scenarios where pedestrians would jump out in front of our cars on purpose.

            Is that a stupid thing to do? Yes, but the cars wouldn't hit them. Because it can't. The have collision detection that will stop the car. We even ran a test where we tried to make it hit a child-sized dummy, and it just wouldn't do it.

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            • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

              Google's antonymous taxi company says it won't obey traffic safety laws because its customers want convenience, so screw those bicyclists who don't want to be injured or killed.

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              Expecting driverless taxis to respect bike lanes “too high a bar” – because customers want to be dropped off in them, autonomous vehicle firm Waymo tells cyclists

              Waymo, the autonomous driving tech firm whose so-called ‘robo-taxis’ are now roaming the streets of London, has allegedly told cycling campaigners that expecting their driverless cars to respect cycle lanes is “too high a bar” – because their customers want to be dropped off in them.But Waymo has denied making such a claim, instead pointing ... Read more

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              @dangillmor to be fair - I've seen a lot of taxis WITH drivers do this 🫩 nobody seems to care 🤬

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              • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

                Google's antonymous taxi company says it won't obey traffic safety laws because its customers want convenience, so screw those bicyclists who don't want to be injured or killed.

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                Expecting driverless taxis to respect bike lanes “too high a bar” – because customers want to be dropped off in them, autonomous vehicle firm Waymo tells cyclists

                Waymo, the autonomous driving tech firm whose so-called ‘robo-taxis’ are now roaming the streets of London, has allegedly told cycling campaigners that expecting their driverless cars to respect cycle lanes is “too high a bar” – because their customers want to be dropped off in them.But Waymo has denied making such a claim, instead pointing ... Read more

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                @dangillmor In perfect accordance with the "[my] rules based" -- not Law based -- order, commonly applied and augmented by State-level politicians these days.

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                • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

                  Google's antonymous taxi company says it won't obey traffic safety laws because its customers want convenience, so screw those bicyclists who don't want to be injured or killed.

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                  Expecting driverless taxis to respect bike lanes “too high a bar” – because customers want to be dropped off in them, autonomous vehicle firm Waymo tells cyclists

                  Waymo, the autonomous driving tech firm whose so-called ‘robo-taxis’ are now roaming the streets of London, has allegedly told cycling campaigners that expecting their driverless cars to respect cycle lanes is “too high a bar” – because their customers want to be dropped off in them.But Waymo has denied making such a claim, instead pointing ... Read more

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                  @dangillmor Wait until the lawsuits start rolling in...

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                  • G gogojack@mastodon.social

                    @dangillmor The idea that they're just going to run people and cyclists over willy nilly is absurd. I work in the industry (not for Waymo) and dealt with multiple scenarios where pedestrians would jump out in front of our cars on purpose.

                    Is that a stupid thing to do? Yes, but the cars wouldn't hit them. Because it can't. The have collision detection that will stop the car. We even ran a test where we tried to make it hit a child-sized dummy, and it just wouldn't do it.

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                    @gogojack @dangillmor The discussion is not about autonomous cars driving over people, it's about cyclists being "doored" by autonomous cars programmed to illegally stop in bike lanes.

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                    • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

                      Google's antonymous taxi company says it won't obey traffic safety laws because its customers want convenience, so screw those bicyclists who don't want to be injured or killed.

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                      Expecting driverless taxis to respect bike lanes “too high a bar” – because customers want to be dropped off in them, autonomous vehicle firm Waymo tells cyclists

                      Waymo, the autonomous driving tech firm whose so-called ‘robo-taxis’ are now roaming the streets of London, has allegedly told cycling campaigners that expecting their driverless cars to respect cycle lanes is “too high a bar” – because their customers want to be dropped off in them.But Waymo has denied making such a claim, instead pointing ... Read more

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                      @dangillmor there might need to be some work on that. I wonder if crosshatching or colouring a section of cycleway and drawing a box in the other lane at suitable points on roads to require stopping Waymos to stop in the box and warning everyone there may be crossings of the bike lane would work. Otherwise it is floating stops etc.

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                      • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

                        Google's antonymous taxi company says it won't obey traffic safety laws because its customers want convenience, so screw those bicyclists who don't want to be injured or killed.

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                        Expecting driverless taxis to respect bike lanes “too high a bar” – because customers want to be dropped off in them, autonomous vehicle firm Waymo tells cyclists

                        Waymo, the autonomous driving tech firm whose so-called ‘robo-taxis’ are now roaming the streets of London, has allegedly told cycling campaigners that expecting their driverless cars to respect cycle lanes is “too high a bar” – because their customers want to be dropped off in them.But Waymo has denied making such a claim, instead pointing ... Read more

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                        @dangillmor Ever the manic pursuit of ever more profit blinding the greedy to the plight of the rest of humanity.

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                        • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

                          Google's antonymous taxi company says it won't obey traffic safety laws because its customers want convenience, so screw those bicyclists who don't want to be injured or killed.

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                          Expecting driverless taxis to respect bike lanes “too high a bar” – because customers want to be dropped off in them, autonomous vehicle firm Waymo tells cyclists

                          Waymo, the autonomous driving tech firm whose so-called ‘robo-taxis’ are now roaming the streets of London, has allegedly told cycling campaigners that expecting their driverless cars to respect cycle lanes is “too high a bar” – because their customers want to be dropped off in them.But Waymo has denied making such a claim, instead pointing ... Read more

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                          @dangillmor

                          This may be why rogue bicyclists carry a keychain in hand with sharp brass keys exposed and aimed riding past techbro antonymous vehicles obstructing bicycle lanes

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                          • jerrej@mastodon.socialJ jerrej@mastodon.social

                            @yetzt @dangillmor

                            waymo - noun from the verb "to waymow", coined from "to lawn-mow", but applied to road usage. Ex.: "His ride then waymowed across the bike lane to take a legal turn on red, cannoning directly into two crossing pedestrians."

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                            @jerrej @yetzt @dangillmor "If anyone is in the way, mow them down"

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                            • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

                              Google's antonymous taxi company says it won't obey traffic safety laws because its customers want convenience, so screw those bicyclists who don't want to be injured or killed.

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                              Expecting driverless taxis to respect bike lanes “too high a bar” – because customers want to be dropped off in them, autonomous vehicle firm Waymo tells cyclists

                              Waymo, the autonomous driving tech firm whose so-called ‘robo-taxis’ are now roaming the streets of London, has allegedly told cycling campaigners that expecting their driverless cars to respect cycle lanes is “too high a bar” – because their customers want to be dropped off in them.But Waymo has denied making such a claim, instead pointing ... Read more

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                              @dangillmor 👋

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                              • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

                                Google's antonymous taxi company says it won't obey traffic safety laws because its customers want convenience, so screw those bicyclists who don't want to be injured or killed.

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                                Expecting driverless taxis to respect bike lanes “too high a bar” – because customers want to be dropped off in them, autonomous vehicle firm Waymo tells cyclists

                                Waymo, the autonomous driving tech firm whose so-called ‘robo-taxis’ are now roaming the streets of London, has allegedly told cycling campaigners that expecting their driverless cars to respect cycle lanes is “too high a bar” – because their customers want to be dropped off in them.But Waymo has denied making such a claim, instead pointing ... Read more

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                                @dangillmor

                                Ok, for once in my life, I'm on Waymo's side on this. You're focusing on the car. Focus instead on the people. Taxis have been stopping in travel lanes to discharge and pick up passengers ever since we have had taxis. Now we're supposed to expect taxis to NOT drop off and pick up at the curb because bike lanes are somehow different from other travel lanes? If I'm driving a taxi, I'm going to let my PEDESTRIANS out at the sidewalk. I'm not going to ask them to get out of my cab in the middle of the street.Yes, it's a dedicated bike lane, but it's not sacrosanct. Waymo isn't in the bike lane just for the hell of it. Would you like to get out of a cab and step into a the path of a biker?

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                                • dianea@lgbtqia.spaceD dianea@lgbtqia.space

                                  @dangillmor

                                  This may be why rogue bicyclists carry a keychain in hand with sharp brass keys exposed and aimed riding past techbro antonymous vehicles obstructing bicycle lanes

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                                  @dianea @dangillmor I guess the sales numbers of baseball bats with convenient bike holders are going to skyrocket...

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                                  • newint@todon.nlN newint@todon.nl

                                    @dangillmor Which problem do these self-driving vehicles solve, which issue is so pressing, that we have to dedicate development time and sacrifice existing infrastructure? We don’t need flying taxis and self driving cars. We need separate bicycle lanes, affordable and reliable public transport, clean air, etc. which benefit all, not just some tech companies.

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                                    @newint @dangillmor In theory a competent Jonnycab would have lighting fast senses and legal compliance, reducing meatbag driver mistakes.

                                    Programming it to scoff the law eats away at that like molecular acid. It's just a grift now.

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                                    • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

                                      Google's antonymous taxi company says it won't obey traffic safety laws because its customers want convenience, so screw those bicyclists who don't want to be injured or killed.

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                                      Expecting driverless taxis to respect bike lanes “too high a bar” – because customers want to be dropped off in them, autonomous vehicle firm Waymo tells cyclists

                                      Waymo, the autonomous driving tech firm whose so-called ‘robo-taxis’ are now roaming the streets of London, has allegedly told cycling campaigners that expecting their driverless cars to respect cycle lanes is “too high a bar” – because their customers want to be dropped off in them.But Waymo has denied making such a claim, instead pointing ... Read more

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                                      @dangillmor
                                      Is it legitimate self defense if I carry a log splitter to clear the bike lane?

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                                      • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

                                        Google's antonymous taxi company says it won't obey traffic safety laws because its customers want convenience, so screw those bicyclists who don't want to be injured or killed.

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                                        Expecting driverless taxis to respect bike lanes “too high a bar” – because customers want to be dropped off in them, autonomous vehicle firm Waymo tells cyclists

                                        Waymo, the autonomous driving tech firm whose so-called ‘robo-taxis’ are now roaming the streets of London, has allegedly told cycling campaigners that expecting their driverless cars to respect cycle lanes is “too high a bar” – because their customers want to be dropped off in them.But Waymo has denied making such a claim, instead pointing ... Read more

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                                        @dangillmor I really like when people burn these in the streets.

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                                        • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                                          @dangillmor

                                          They just keep leaning into the "be evil" don't they?

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                                          @mastodonmigration @dangillmor

                                          Are human taxi drivers also evil for letting you out by the roadside even if there is a bike lane?

                                          I smell #fakeoutrage

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