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When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

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  • phil@fed.bajsicki.comP phil@fed.bajsicki.com

    @EndlessMason@hachyderm.io @neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org
    To my knowledge, the fundamental forces of the universe, just like dead matter (including LLMs), don't have agency of their own.

    Humans do.

    endlessmason@hachyderm.ioE This user is from outside of this forum
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    @phil @neurovagrant
    I don't.

    I'm a stimulus-response machine. I'm governed by the laws of physics exclusively.

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    • endlessmason@hachyderm.ioE endlessmason@hachyderm.io

      @phil @neurovagrant
      HahhahahahhahhahhahhhahhHhHahjahahhahahahhahahhahahhaHhHHHhz aside from escalating the rate at which we're rendering the hahhhha planet unliveable hahHahahjhaha fucking good point man. Oh boy

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      @EndlessMason@hachyderm.io @neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org
      Running Qwen3.5 on my 7900xtx eats as much power as running any video game. I have zero issue with running LLMs locally to assist with my journals/ notes. Nothing compared to a data center.

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      • phil@fed.bajsicki.comP phil@fed.bajsicki.com

        @EndlessMason@hachyderm.io @neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org
        Running Qwen3.5 on my 7900xtx eats as much power as running any video game. I have zero issue with running LLMs locally to assist with my journals/ notes. Nothing compared to a data center.

        neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN This user is from outside of this forum
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        @phil @EndlessMason this has gotten a bit tedious for me, if y'all want to continue, please start a thread between yourselves/untag me, thanks

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        • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

          When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

          I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

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          @neurovagrant We invented tech vulnerable to classic computer viruses, and social engineering too! Best of both worlds!

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          • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

            @phil @EndlessMason this has gotten a bit tedious for me, if y'all want to continue, please start a thread between yourselves/untag me, thanks

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            @neurovagrant nah I'm good

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            • endlessmason@hachyderm.ioE endlessmason@hachyderm.io

              @neurovagrant nah I'm good

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              @EndlessMason i hear that

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              • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

                I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

                ox1de@cyberplace.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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                @neurovagrant i suspect we have two weak links now, great!

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                • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                  When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

                  I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

                  kitkat_blue@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @neurovagrant

                  :sigh: better than humans *again*!

                  the end is nigh....

                  (/s)

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                  • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                    When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

                    I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

                    cr0w@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @neurovagrant

                    massive bong rip

                    Who decided to deploy the LLMs? It wasn't a computer...

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                    • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                      When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

                      I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

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                      @neurovagrant To err is human, but to *really* agree things up you need a computer.

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                      • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

                        @neurovagrant

                        massive bong rip

                        Who decided to deploy the LLMs? It wasn't a computer...

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                        @cR0w @neurovagrant
                        Or *was* it? <dramatic music>

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                        • lerxst@az.socialL lerxst@az.social

                          @cR0w @neurovagrant
                          Or *was* it? <dramatic music>

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                          @lerxst @neurovagrant

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                          • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                            When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

                            I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

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                            @neurovagrant

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                            • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                              When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

                              I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

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                              @neurovagrant Well we do have humans carelessly accepting AI submits without an review: one could consider them an even weaker chain.

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                              • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                                When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

                                I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

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                                @neurovagrant It's still kind of a human's fault for installing that weak link. The weakest link are the c-suite making terrible decisions.

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                                • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                                  When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

                                  I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

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                                  @neurovagrant okay, now the weakest link is the human who decided "I think I'll outsource my work to a dumbass who's wrong about everything."

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                                  • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                                    When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

                                    I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

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                                    @neurovagrant now the weakest link is the human who decided to implement AI.
                                    So what's changed?

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                                    • phil@fed.bajsicki.comP phil@fed.bajsicki.com

                                      @EndlessMason@hachyderm.io @neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org
                                      Running Qwen3.5 on my 7900xtx eats as much power as running any video game. I have zero issue with running LLMs locally to assist with my journals/ notes. Nothing compared to a data center.

                                      jae@mastodon.bsd.cafeJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @phil @neurovagrant @EndlessMason similar experience. humans can drive these models if they have a decent engineering/security understanding. i've got no issue with leveraging it to offload tedious tasks and operational burden.

                                      but to your point on the human factor, there's been a lot of footgunning lately. even with principal staff getting lazy.

                                      running models on a ada4000-20gb works pretty nicely and way less power use than a dc or some 5090 monster i need a new circuit for

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                                      • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                                        When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

                                        I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

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                                        @neurovagrant it still is the human. They just changed how they break things. Instead of breaking things themselves they trust a machine that does it.

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                                        • jae@mastodon.bsd.cafeJ jae@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                                          @phil @neurovagrant @EndlessMason similar experience. humans can drive these models if they have a decent engineering/security understanding. i've got no issue with leveraging it to offload tedious tasks and operational burden.

                                          but to your point on the human factor, there's been a lot of footgunning lately. even with principal staff getting lazy.

                                          running models on a ada4000-20gb works pretty nicely and way less power use than a dc or some 5090 monster i need a new circuit for

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                                          @jae@mastodon.bsd.cafe @neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org @EndlessMason@hachyderm.io
                                          I just give the LLM some tools to read my journals, and then type my notes into my note git repo in a separate place.

                                          https://codeberg.org/bajsicki/gptel-got

                                          I've a bunch of re-writes locally, but they're not ready to be out in public yet until I test more and gain confidence.

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