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  3. When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

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  • endlessmason@hachyderm.ioE endlessmason@hachyderm.io

    @phil @neurovagrant
    Oh I see. In that case we should blame the fundamental forces of the universe for kicking off formation of planets and bootstrapping abiogenesis and evolution.

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    @EndlessMason@hachyderm.io @neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org
    To my knowledge, the fundamental forces of the universe, just like dead matter (including LLMs), don't have agency of their own.

    Humans do.

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    • phil@fed.bajsicki.comP phil@fed.bajsicki.com

      @EndlessMason@hachyderm.io @neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org
      To my knowledge, the fundamental forces of the universe, just like dead matter (including LLMs), don't have agency of their own.

      Humans do.

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      @phil @EndlessMason "guns don't kill people" hasn't been convincing for decades.

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      • phil@fed.bajsicki.comP phil@fed.bajsicki.com

        @EndlessMason@hachyderm.io @neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org As a sidenote, I've seen things you wouldn't believe in the last few months that has me genuinely convinced that it's humans that made LLMs look bad, rather than LLMs being bad intrinsically (aside from the copyright issues, power drain, freshwater use, global warming, financial abuse, privacy issues, deals with government...).

        The math models (locally hosted, fitting on gaming GPUs) can be fairly easily be made useful and helpful (a few days of effort after work) in menial tasks that can't be completed deterministically, provided basic oversight. They cost pennies, and they're private.

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        @phil @neurovagrant
        HahhahahahhahhahhahhhahhHhHahjahahhahahahhahahhahahhaHhHHHhz aside from escalating the rate at which we're rendering the hahhhha planet unliveable hahHahahjhaha fucking good point man. Oh boy

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        • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

          @phil @EndlessMason "guns don't kill people" hasn't been convincing for decades.

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          @neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org @EndlessMason@hachyderm.io
          Guns, like any tool, need to be carefully managed by any human owning/ controlling them. LLMs can do a crapload of damage, but they can't be held accountable, just like a computer can't be held accountable for what sysadmins do.

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          • phil@fed.bajsicki.comP phil@fed.bajsicki.com

            @EndlessMason@hachyderm.io @neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org
            To my knowledge, the fundamental forces of the universe, just like dead matter (including LLMs), don't have agency of their own.

            Humans do.

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            @phil @neurovagrant
            I don't.

            I'm a stimulus-response machine. I'm governed by the laws of physics exclusively.

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            • endlessmason@hachyderm.ioE endlessmason@hachyderm.io

              @phil @neurovagrant
              HahhahahahhahhahhahhhahhHhHahjahahhahahahhahahhahahhaHhHHHhz aside from escalating the rate at which we're rendering the hahhhha planet unliveable hahHahahjhaha fucking good point man. Oh boy

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              @EndlessMason@hachyderm.io @neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org
              Running Qwen3.5 on my 7900xtx eats as much power as running any video game. I have zero issue with running LLMs locally to assist with my journals/ notes. Nothing compared to a data center.

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              • phil@fed.bajsicki.comP phil@fed.bajsicki.com

                @EndlessMason@hachyderm.io @neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org
                Running Qwen3.5 on my 7900xtx eats as much power as running any video game. I have zero issue with running LLMs locally to assist with my journals/ notes. Nothing compared to a data center.

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                @phil @EndlessMason this has gotten a bit tedious for me, if y'all want to continue, please start a thread between yourselves/untag me, thanks

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                • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                  When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

                  I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

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                  @neurovagrant We invented tech vulnerable to classic computer viruses, and social engineering too! Best of both worlds!

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                  • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                    @phil @EndlessMason this has gotten a bit tedious for me, if y'all want to continue, please start a thread between yourselves/untag me, thanks

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                    @neurovagrant nah I'm good

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                    • endlessmason@hachyderm.ioE endlessmason@hachyderm.io

                      @neurovagrant nah I'm good

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                      @EndlessMason i hear that

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                      • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                        When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

                        I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

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                        @neurovagrant i suspect we have two weak links now, great!

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                        • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                          When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

                          I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

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                          @neurovagrant

                          :sigh: better than humans *again*!

                          the end is nigh....

                          (/s)

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                          • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                            When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

                            I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

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                            @neurovagrant

                            massive bong rip

                            Who decided to deploy the LLMs? It wasn't a computer...

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                            • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                              When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

                              I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

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                              @neurovagrant To err is human, but to *really* agree things up you need a computer.

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                              • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

                                @neurovagrant

                                massive bong rip

                                Who decided to deploy the LLMs? It wasn't a computer...

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                                @cR0w @neurovagrant
                                Or *was* it? <dramatic music>

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                                • lerxst@az.socialL lerxst@az.social

                                  @cR0w @neurovagrant
                                  Or *was* it? <dramatic music>

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                                  @lerxst @neurovagrant

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                                  • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                                    When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

                                    I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

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                                    @neurovagrant

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                                    • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                                      When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

                                      I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

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                                      @neurovagrant Well we do have humans carelessly accepting AI submits without an review: one could consider them an even weaker chain.

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                                      • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                                        When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

                                        I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

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                                        @neurovagrant It's still kind of a human's fault for installing that weak link. The weakest link are the c-suite making terrible decisions.

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                                        • neurovagrant@masto.deoan.orgN neurovagrant@masto.deoan.org

                                          When I started in security, one of the prevailing attitudes was "The weakest link in the chain will always be the human."

                                          I would like to thank every LLM provider and startup for changing this paradigm by introducing a much weaker link in the chain.

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                                          @neurovagrant okay, now the weakest link is the human who decided "I think I'll outsource my work to a dumbass who's wrong about everything."

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