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  • watchfulcitizen@goingdark.socialW watchfulcitizen@goingdark.social

    @neil Ive never taken the energy to move from Nano to vim. What's are some pros/cons?

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    @watchfulcitizen

    No idea, I'm afraid, as I haven't used nano.

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    • roadskater@mastodon.socialR roadskater@mastodon.social

      @neil I did have some experience with runoff as a "markup" language on a DEC RSTS/E system about 1980. I may have been accused by a high school teacher with cheating because all my classmates had to use typewriters, or OMG, write the damn paper in longhand.

      How? I had access to the school district's computer center and its daisy -wheel printers.

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      @roadskater @neil Oh I used to love those daisywheels!

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      • watchfulcitizen@goingdark.socialW watchfulcitizen@goingdark.social

        @neil Ive never taken the energy to move from Nano to vim. What's are some pros/cons?

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        @watchfulcitizen @neil Insane totally illogical controls. Bragging rights if you can learn how to use it.

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        • grumpydad@infosec.exchangeG grumpydad@infosec.exchange

          @neil Well, obviously the more superior way would be to use emacs

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          @grumpydad @neil Yes, with Emacs you get rid of the bloat of markdown and only use one software, Emacs and its built-in org (and all the other built-in things).

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          • shanecelis@mastodon.gamedev.placeS shanecelis@mastodon.gamedev.place

            @neil Maybe the real free software was the editors we made along the way?

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            @shanecelis @neil That's why RMS was right to start his GNU project with an editor.

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            • ghouston@mamot.frG ghouston@mamot.fr

              @ppulfer @neil you probably have to reboot the computer or something. Emacs is simple, C-x C-c, followed by 'y' if confirm-kill-emacs is set.

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              @ghouston @ppulfer @neil

              I also use Vim to wash my dishes !

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              • roadskater@mastodon.socialR roadskater@mastodon.social

                @neil Been using vi(m) for 30+ years. But Markdown, haven't got there yet.

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                @roadskater @neil You don't need to. All these jobs can be done with LaTeX, too.. and vim to edit the LaTeX, of course (or emacs, if you are using free software instead of open source).

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                • harib_murshidi@mastodon.socialH harib_murshidi@mastodon.social

                  @ghouston @ppulfer @neil

                  I also use Vim to wash my dishes !

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                  @harib_murshidi @ghouston @neil, you joke but if the current trend of dishwashers requiring an app and wifi, you might as well install Linux and Vim in the future to start custom washing settings ๐Ÿ™‚

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                  • ppulfer@mastodon.ieP ppulfer@mastodon.ie

                    @harib_murshidi @ghouston @neil, you joke but if the current trend of dishwashers requiring an app and wifi, you might as well install Linux and Vim in the future to start custom washing settings ๐Ÿ™‚

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                    @ppulfer @ghouston @neil

                    Please don't make a fuss about it, we once suggested #Vim to a friend in #RL and their reply was like 'Huh, ain't that a dishwashing liquid ?'

                    We've been waiting for almost a decade to make this quip

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                    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                      Neil: There's a wealth of amazing Free software out there! I use loads of it.

                      Them: What do you use to write documents?

                      Me: I use vim. I write in Markdown, then convert it. (typst + pandoc)

                      Them: What about presentations?

                      Me: I use vim. I write in Markdown, then convert it. (revealjs)

                      Them: Your website? Blog?

                      Me: I use vim. I write in Markdown, then convert it. (mkdocs / bssg)

                      Them: So what about keeping notes?

                      Me: Oddly enough, I use vim. I write in Markdown... (vimwiki)

                      #FreeSoftware #FOSS #Linux #vim #Markdown

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                      @neil that's a lot of ways to say you can't exit vim. ๐Ÿ™‚

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                      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                        Neil: There's a wealth of amazing Free software out there! I use loads of it.

                        Them: What do you use to write documents?

                        Me: I use vim. I write in Markdown, then convert it. (typst + pandoc)

                        Them: What about presentations?

                        Me: I use vim. I write in Markdown, then convert it. (revealjs)

                        Them: Your website? Blog?

                        Me: I use vim. I write in Markdown, then convert it. (mkdocs / bssg)

                        Them: So what about keeping notes?

                        Me: Oddly enough, I use vim. I write in Markdown... (vimwiki)

                        #FreeSoftware #FOSS #Linux #vim #Markdown

                        sharkfie@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #43

                        @neil now do an emacs user

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                        • harib_murshidi@mastodon.socialH harib_murshidi@mastodon.social

                          @ppulfer @ghouston @neil

                          Please don't make a fuss about it, we once suggested #Vim to a friend in #RL and their reply was like 'Huh, ain't that a dishwashing liquid ?'

                          We've been waiting for almost a decade to make this quip

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                          @harib_murshidi @ghouston @neil, ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

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                          • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                            Neil: There's a wealth of amazing Free software out there! I use loads of it.

                            Them: What do you use to write documents?

                            Me: I use vim. I write in Markdown, then convert it. (typst + pandoc)

                            Them: What about presentations?

                            Me: I use vim. I write in Markdown, then convert it. (revealjs)

                            Them: Your website? Blog?

                            Me: I use vim. I write in Markdown, then convert it. (mkdocs / bssg)

                            Them: So what about keeping notes?

                            Me: Oddly enough, I use vim. I write in Markdown... (vimwiki)

                            #FreeSoftware #FOSS #Linux #vim #Markdown

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                            @neil @ailepet

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                            • sharkfie@infosec.exchangeS sharkfie@infosec.exchange

                              @neil now do an emacs user

                              neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @sharkfie Well that's not an offer I get every day!

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                              • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                Neil: There's a wealth of amazing Free software out there! I use loads of it.

                                Them: What do you use to write documents?

                                Me: I use vim. I write in Markdown, then convert it. (typst + pandoc)

                                Them: What about presentations?

                                Me: I use vim. I write in Markdown, then convert it. (revealjs)

                                Them: Your website? Blog?

                                Me: I use vim. I write in Markdown, then convert it. (mkdocs / bssg)

                                Them: So what about keeping notes?

                                Me: Oddly enough, I use vim. I write in Markdown... (vimwiki)

                                #FreeSoftware #FOSS #Linux #vim #Markdown

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                                @neil ooh, useful to know! That's a bookmark!

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                                • ghouston@mamot.frG ghouston@mamot.fr

                                  @ppulfer @neil you probably have to reboot the computer or something. Emacs is simple, C-x C-c, followed by 'y' if confirm-kill-emacs is set.

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                                  @ghouston @neil, fun fact: I also once hard rebooted a homelab server as I did not know how to exit VIM and had no phone to search about it.

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                                  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                    Neil: There's a wealth of amazing Free software out there! I use loads of it.

                                    Them: What do you use to write documents?

                                    Me: I use vim. I write in Markdown, then convert it. (typst + pandoc)

                                    Them: What about presentations?

                                    Me: I use vim. I write in Markdown, then convert it. (revealjs)

                                    Them: Your website? Blog?

                                    Me: I use vim. I write in Markdown, then convert it. (mkdocs / bssg)

                                    Them: So what about keeping notes?

                                    Me: Oddly enough, I use vim. I write in Markdown... (vimwiki)

                                    #FreeSoftware #FOSS #Linux #vim #Markdown

                                    imclaren@infosec.exchangeI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @neil interesting. I default to md files but in a world where we can use llms to easily convert ppt to md and vice versa i donโ€™t worry about this as much anymore

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                                    • imclaren@infosec.exchangeI imclaren@infosec.exchange

                                      @neil interesting. I default to md files but in a world where we can use llms to easily convert ppt to md and vice versa i donโ€™t worry about this as much anymore

                                      neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @imclaren

                                      I find writing presentations in Markdown, with CSS for styling, much easier than faffing with a visual editor, but then I haven't used a visual presentation editor in years and so might be out of touch.

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                                      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                        @imclaren

                                        I find writing presentations in Markdown, with CSS for styling, much easier than faffing with a visual editor, but then I haven't used a visual presentation editor in years and so might be out of touch.

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                                        @neil i usually write the markdown then ask an llm to create powerpoint using a provided template or from scratch. itโ€™s corporate world collaboration lock in

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                                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                          Neil: There's a wealth of amazing Free software out there! I use loads of it.

                                          Them: What do you use to write documents?

                                          Me: I use vim. I write in Markdown, then convert it. (typst + pandoc)

                                          Them: What about presentations?

                                          Me: I use vim. I write in Markdown, then convert it. (revealjs)

                                          Them: Your website? Blog?

                                          Me: I use vim. I write in Markdown, then convert it. (mkdocs / bssg)

                                          Them: So what about keeping notes?

                                          Me: Oddly enough, I use vim. I write in Markdown... (vimwiki)

                                          #FreeSoftware #FOSS #Linux #vim #Markdown

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                                          @neil @alice
                                          Hi,
                                          Agreed, text-only is king.
                                          Remark : since my first jumps to LINUX, (around 1996 ?), I have been using Joe's own editor.

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