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  3. step one in any possible reboot of the free software movement is always gonna be to refuse corporate sponsorship .

step one in any possible reboot of the free software movement is always gonna be to refuse corporate sponsorship .

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  • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

    @fiore what about a service/tech support contract. is that allowed

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    @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run that makes you corpo

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    • fiore@brain.worm.pinkF fiore@brain.worm.pink

      step one in any possible reboot of the free software movement is always gonna be to refuse corporate sponsorship . always always .

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      @fiore the problem with the " volunteers in their spare time" narrative kinda is that either the project gets abandoned because the developers are juggling a 60h/wk job, family, friends, and three to five free software project, or that the project gets abandoned because the developer who wanted to focus on the project full-time went homeless because they couldnt get the funding .

      its the same problem as with any art, and even research . it feels
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      • fiore@brain.worm.pinkF fiore@brain.worm.pink

        @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run that makes you corpo

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        @fiore corpos that do genocide are distinctly different than corpos that don't to me

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        • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

          @fiore corpos that do genocide are distinctly different than corpos that don't to me

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          @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run all corpos will do genocide if they have a profit incentive in doing so

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          • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

            @fiore corpos that do genocide are distinctly different than corpos that don't to me

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            @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @fiore@brain.worm.pink the difference between a corporation that does an atrocity and the corporation that does not do an atrocity is not some moral betterness by the board of directors. Sure some small time businesses may genuinely be driven by a guy with a desire to do good. But that chafes and gnashes against the demanded logic of capitalism to seek profit above all else or be annahilated. Like fiore said those which do genocide are those which have a profit incentive to do so. And those who do not follow profit incentive like its their religion will eventually be fed on by vultures picking on their stagnating corpse.

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            • nagirin@sk.myxoz.netN nagirin@sk.myxoz.net

              @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @fiore@brain.worm.pink the difference between a corporation that does an atrocity and the corporation that does not do an atrocity is not some moral betterness by the board of directors. Sure some small time businesses may genuinely be driven by a guy with a desire to do good. But that chafes and gnashes against the demanded logic of capitalism to seek profit above all else or be annahilated. Like fiore said those which do genocide are those which have a profit incentive to do so. And those who do not follow profit incentive like its their religion will eventually be fed on by vultures picking on their stagnating corpse.

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              @nagirin @fiore see my argument for boycotting https://circumstances.run/@hipsterelectron/116481397829630029

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              • reia@linfan.moeR reia@linfan.moe
                @fiore the problem with the " volunteers in their spare time" narrative kinda is that either the project gets abandoned because the developers are juggling a 60h/wk job, family, friends, and three to five free software project, or that the project gets abandoned because the developer who wanted to focus on the project full-time went homeless because they couldnt get the funding .

                its the same problem as with any art, and even research . it feels
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                @reia@linfan.moe ermm those all seem like things a corpo would be worried about .. /j(id love to respond more seriously but im late to a dentist appointment rn i gtg weehhh)

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                • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

                  @nagirin @fiore see my argument for boycotting https://circumstances.run/@hipsterelectron/116481397829630029

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                  @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @nagirin@sk.myxoz.net boycotting is a tiny patch not a solution

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                  • fiore@brain.worm.pinkF fiore@brain.worm.pink

                    @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @nagirin@sk.myxoz.net boycotting is a tiny patch not a solution

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                    @fiore @nagirin i'm interested in codifying support for genocide and surveillance into a license cc @LGUG2Z

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                    • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

                      @fiore @nagirin i'm interested in codifying support for genocide and surveillance into a license cc @LGUG2Z

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                      @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @nagirin@sk.myxoz.net @LGUG2Z@hachyderm.io licenses mean very little to me

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                      • fiore@brain.worm.pinkF fiore@brain.worm.pink

                        @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @nagirin@sk.myxoz.net @LGUG2Z@hachyderm.io licenses mean very little to me

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                        @fiore @LGUG2Z @nagirin they are one way to define guarantees. how else can we do so? i also advocate for no-support resolutions which would be intransitive and alongside the code of conduct

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                        • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

                          @fiore @LGUG2Z @nagirin they are one way to define guarantees. how else can we do so? i also advocate for no-support resolutions which would be intransitive and alongside the code of conduct

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                          @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @LGUG2Z@hachyderm.io @nagirin@sk.myxoz.net licensing is a legal tool , and the law means very little to the corporations im trying to defend against

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                          • fiore@brain.worm.pinkF fiore@brain.worm.pink

                            @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @LGUG2Z@hachyderm.io @nagirin@sk.myxoz.net licensing is a legal tool , and the law means very little to the corporations im trying to defend against

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                            @fiore@brain.worm.pink @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @LGUG2Z@hachyderm.io I'll add that by using the legal system specifically centred around treating corporations as individuals, you are scoring an own goal and playing by rules with disadvantage the goals of a free software movement.

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                            • nagirin@sk.myxoz.netN nagirin@sk.myxoz.net

                              @fiore@brain.worm.pink @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @LGUG2Z@hachyderm.io I'll add that by using the legal system specifically centred around treating corporations as individuals, you are scoring an own goal and playing by rules with disadvantage the goals of a free software movement.

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                              @nagirin @fiore @LGUG2Z i attempted to focus on guarantees and described why and how license changes compliment over strategies. i like having guarantees codified

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                              • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

                                @nagirin @fiore @LGUG2Z i attempted to focus on guarantees and described why and how license changes compliment over strategies. i like having guarantees codified

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                                @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @nagirin@sk.myxoz.net @LGUG2Z@hachyderm.io the fsf has failed to provide what we are seeking , and the fsf has produced some pretty darn good licenses . the reason this all went to shit is that licensing is not the way to move forward , it is not a weapon

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                                • fiore@brain.worm.pinkF fiore@brain.worm.pink

                                  @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @nagirin@sk.myxoz.net @LGUG2Z@hachyderm.io the fsf has failed to provide what we are seeking , and the fsf has produced some pretty darn good licenses . the reason this all went to shit is that licensing is not the way to move forward , it is not a weapon

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                                  @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @LGUG2Z@hachyderm.io @nagirin@sk.myxoz.net codifying things thru licenses means codifying the whole movement thru the language of the oppressor

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                                  • fiore@brain.worm.pinkF fiore@brain.worm.pink

                                    @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @LGUG2Z@hachyderm.io @nagirin@sk.myxoz.net codifying things thru licenses means codifying the whole movement thru the language of the oppressor

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                                    @fiore@brain.worm.pink @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @LGUG2Z@hachyderm.io we made murder illegal yet people still kill how could this happen

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                                    • fiore@brain.worm.pinkF fiore@brain.worm.pink

                                      @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run "non-person" . this also includes corpo affiliations , ofc

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                                      @fiore @hipsterelectron whimpers

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                                      • srazkvt@tech.lgbtS srazkvt@tech.lgbt

                                        @fiore @hipsterelectron whimpers

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                                        @SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run oh my god

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                                        • nagirin@sk.myxoz.netN nagirin@sk.myxoz.net

                                          @fiore@brain.worm.pink @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @LGUG2Z@hachyderm.io we made murder illegal yet people still kill how could this happen

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                                          @nagirin@sk.myxoz.net @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @LGUG2Z@hachyderm.io checkmate ...

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