About the Chrome LLM thing:
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Android as well! It was a trap right from the beginning, now closing (down) ...
@quincy @thomasfuchs Android is... complicated. I'd argue there is a fairness to the way it worked out even as much as it pains me. The true problem, IMO, comes in the fact that everyone just sort of accepted it as-is when they should have been working on other options.
Back when it started, Apple had all the money and power in regards to actually being able to break into the locked down ecosystems like those. The only reason Google was able to get in there at all was by making it semi-open. But of course they had no vested interest in keeping that.
The initial real problem, then, would be the fact that service providers, hardware manufacturers, etc were allowed to be so locked down. But IMO the real problem since was how little seriousness was ever put into making alternatives.
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@quincy @thomasfuchs Android is... complicated. I'd argue there is a fairness to the way it worked out even as much as it pains me. The true problem, IMO, comes in the fact that everyone just sort of accepted it as-is when they should have been working on other options.
Back when it started, Apple had all the money and power in regards to actually being able to break into the locked down ecosystems like those. The only reason Google was able to get in there at all was by making it semi-open. But of course they had no vested interest in keeping that.
The initial real problem, then, would be the fact that service providers, hardware manufacturers, etc were allowed to be so locked down. But IMO the real problem since was how little seriousness was ever put into making alternatives.
(Inb4, yes alternatives have existed. The most famous being an attempt to make a phone version of Ubuntu. I argue not that they didn't exist, but that they were never very serious. Effort was put in, but only a little and then each such thing has been more or less dropped because everyone decided Android was good enough and the problems in adapting anything else weren't worth the effort to get around.)
I guess I should say the biggest issue of all is proprietariness effectively owns the "smart" device markets.
In all this time everyone should have been working hard to break open those locked down ecosystems, but instead very little has ever truly been done. SoC manufacturers lock everything behind NDAs, service providers lock functions behind paid licenses, etc etc. It's a mess.
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About the Chrome LLM thing:
Google has been working for 15 years now (maybe longer) on dismantling the Internet that you love and cherish.
Fuck them. Don't use their stuff. It's toxic. All of it.
@thomasfuchs Brave and Vivaldi are a breath of fresh air, although built on chromium.
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@thomasfuchs Brave and Vivaldi are a breath of fresh air, although built on chromium.
@prab97 Just FYI Brave is run by a homophobic religious fanatic backed with money from Peter Thiel.
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About the Chrome LLM thing:
Google has been working for 15 years now (maybe longer) on dismantling the Internet that you love and cherish.
Fuck them. Don't use their stuff. It's toxic. All of it.
ditto for apple.
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ditto for apple.
@Felis_Catus_Domesticus No, it's not. Fuck off with the Apple bashing when it's simply not true.
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@prab97 Just FYI Brave is run by a homophobic religious fanatic backed with money from Peter Thiel.
@thomasfuchs @prab97 And Vivaldi is still not open-sourcing their browser, so who knows what might they slip in the future without the end users knowing it. If you absolutely must use something based on the Chromium engine, use Ungoogled Chromium or an equivalent. -
@Felis_Catus_Domesticus No, it's not. Fuck off with the Apple bashing when it's simply not true.
@thomasfuchs @Felis_Catus_Domesticus They do have their points of criticism (the closed platform, the overinflated prices, the low repairability, and the fact that they constantly bow down to governments like China and the UK), but curiously enough, they're among the few phone manufacturers to take data privacy somewhat seriously. -
@Felis_Catus_Domesticus No, it's not. Fuck off with the Apple bashing when it's simply not true.
@thomasfuchs @Felis_Catus_Domesticus Not only does Apple forbid any non-webkit browser engine on their walled platform and refuse to implement core web APIs on webkit for as long as possible, it's hostile to the rest of the open web even outside iOS: https://infrequently.org/2025/09/apples-crimes-against-the-internet-community/
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@thomasfuchs @Felis_Catus_Domesticus Not only does Apple forbid any non-webkit browser engine on their walled platform and refuse to implement core web APIs on webkit for as long as possible, it's hostile to the rest of the open web even outside iOS: https://infrequently.org/2025/09/apples-crimes-against-the-internet-community/
@minotaurs_at_work @thomasfuchs
all apple fanbois talk like the OP..
hard to say which, over the long term has harmed innovation more since the 1970's.. apple or microsoft.
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About the Chrome LLM thing:
Google has been working for 15 years now (maybe longer) on dismantling the Internet that you love and cherish.
Fuck them. Don't use their stuff. It's toxic. All of it.
@thomasfuchs I'm using FireFox and shall continue as it's a lesser evil. I flipped the AI switch off, and also used the JustTheBrowser script to lock it out completely.
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About the Chrome LLM thing:
Google has been working for 15 years now (maybe longer) on dismantling the Internet that you love and cherish.
Fuck them. Don't use their stuff. It's toxic. All of it.
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About the Chrome LLM thing:
Google has been working for 15 years now (maybe longer) on dismantling the Internet that you love and cherish.
Fuck them. Don't use their stuff. It's toxic. All of it.
@thomasfuchs People wanted Chrome now Chrome people can deal with the consequences, its not like we haven't been warning them for almost two decades. Same with subscription software
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@Felis_Catus_Domesticus No, it's not. Fuck off with the Apple bashing when it's simply not true.
@thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io @Felis_Catus_Domesticus@mstdn.party Oh no, poor walled garden tech megacorp.
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About the Chrome LLM thing:
Google has been working for 15 years now (maybe longer) on dismantling the Internet that you love and cherish.
Fuck them. Don't use their stuff. It's toxic. All of it.
I doubt that installing a 4 GB proprietary LLM secretly and without any consent can be legal in the #EU - even if Donald wants it to be (!)
While I advised you on DMS/DSA in "federating systems", I wrote tons of informal complaints and nothing happened but I do not have time to write these things formal cause meanwhile they are Captain Obvious !Ich danke sie.
#google #evil #llm #chrome #evil
FYI @paul_irish @rachelandrew
@Una
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About the Chrome LLM thing:
Google has been working for 15 years now (maybe longer) on dismantling the Internet that you love and cherish.
Fuck them. Don't use their stuff. It's toxic. All of it.
@thomasfuchs expropiemos GoogleMaps
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About the Chrome LLM thing:
Google has been working for 15 years now (maybe longer) on dismantling the Internet that you love and cherish.
Fuck them. Don't use their stuff. It's toxic. All of it.
@thomasfuchs I can't disagree, but every time someone comes up with an alt browser, it turns out that the project is run by a complete fuckhead, isn't what it says it is, eventually has AI shoved into it or it has its own data collection for potentially unsavoury purposes.
What browser can I acutally use that isn't somewhow mired in BS?
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@prab97 Just FYI Brave is run by a homophobic religious fanatic backed with money from Peter Thiel.
@thomasfuchs @prab97 does this not describe the political moment we find ourselves in, generally?
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@thomasfuchs I can't disagree, but every time someone comes up with an alt browser, it turns out that the project is run by a complete fuckhead, isn't what it says it is, eventually has AI shoved into it or it has its own data collection for potentially unsavoury purposes.
What browser can I acutally use that isn't somewhow mired in BS?
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@jenesaisquoidirehelp @thomasfuchs Being technically correct is the best type of correct, but how do I install that on my Mac or my Windows PC? Fairly sure I can install it on my Linux laptop, but that's not my daily driver.
