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Today the European Commission is publishing the #PassengerPackage - legislation to fix railway ticketing

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    @hans_zelf so press know what the Commissioner will say today, before he says it.

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    @jon At least the swedish article you linked is just a commenting article, it has no truths in it, just guesswork from the journalists side spiced up with some quotes from related people.

    Holding thumbs for something good that is workable.

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    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

      I know two of the three legal texts of the #PassengerPackage will be numbered COM(2026) 231 and COM(2026) 232. The third one, I don't know.

      Just in case when - as is normal - the Commission bla bla comms page about the proposal goes live and then they don't link to the legal proposals, and you need to dig elsewhere.

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      @jon@gruene.social the "One journey, one ticket" headline that's visible on the stream is certainly not inspiring confidence

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      • eq@mas.toE eq@mas.to

        @jon At least the swedish article you linked is just a commenting article, it has no truths in it, just guesswork from the journalists side spiced up with some quotes from related people.

        Holding thumbs for something good that is workable.

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        @eq It's not guesswork. That journalist knows what's coming. Trust me, I have seen pieces from journalists that don't! I have the leaks too.

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          I know two of the three legal texts of the #PassengerPackage will be numbered COM(2026) 231 and COM(2026) 232. The third one, I don't know.

          Just in case when - as is normal - the Commission bla bla comms page about the proposal goes live and then they don't link to the legal proposals, and you need to dig elsewhere.

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          "One journey, one ticket" #PassengerPackage

          Yeah

          But no https://jonworth.eu/one-ticket-or-more-than-one-ticket-for-my-international-train-trip-more-than-one-with-passenger-rights-is-the-simpler-solution/

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            "One journey, one ticket" #PassengerPackage

            Yeah

            But no https://jonworth.eu/one-ticket-or-more-than-one-ticket-for-my-international-train-trip-more-than-one-with-passenger-rights-is-the-simpler-solution/

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            OK here we go, press conference starting #PassengerPackage

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              OK here we go, press conference starting #PassengerPackage

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              #23

              Here's my take on the #PassengerPackage

              "How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable"

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              How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable

              Ursula von der Leyen called her disciples, the Commissioners, to gather around. Holding up a bound edition of the Political Guidelines, she conferred a great responsibility onto each of them. Beckoning disciple for transport, Apostolos Tzitzikostas, towards her, she gave him his instructions: "cross-border train travel is still too difficult

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                Here's my take on the #PassengerPackage

                "How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable"

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                How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable

                Ursula von der Leyen called her disciples, the Commissioners, to gather around. Holding up a bound edition of the Political Guidelines, she conferred a great responsibility onto each of them. Beckoning disciple for transport, Apostolos Tzitzikostas, towards her, she gave him his instructions: "cross-border train travel is still too difficult

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                Jon Worth (jonworth.eu)

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                @jon Heresy ! Heresy !

                Would it be useful to email our representatives about the issues with the proposal and try to convince them to amend the proposal to multiple tickets pax rights ?

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  Here's my take on the #PassengerPackage

                  "How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable"

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                  How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable

                  Ursula von der Leyen called her disciples, the Commissioners, to gather around. Holding up a bound edition of the Political Guidelines, she conferred a great responsibility onto each of them. Beckoning disciple for transport, Apostolos Tzitzikostas, towards her, she gave him his instructions: "cross-border train travel is still too difficult

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                  Jon Worth (jonworth.eu)

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                  Here are the documents: https://transport.ec.europa.eu/news-events/news/one-journey-one-ticket-full-rights-commission-simplifies-europe-wide-travel-booking-and-train-travel-2026-05-13_en #PassengerPackage

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    Here are the documents: https://transport.ec.europa.eu/news-events/news/one-journey-one-ticket-full-rights-commission-simplifies-europe-wide-travel-booking-and-train-travel-2026-05-13_en #PassengerPackage

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                    "Our vision is very clear," says Tzitzikostas. "One journey, one ticket!"

                    If only it were to work like that 😀

                    #PassengerPackage

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      "Our vision is very clear," says Tzitzikostas. "One journey, one ticket!"

                      If only it were to work like that 😀

                      #PassengerPackage

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                      #27

                      Noooooooo, ah what he is saying is not what the Regulation says, not clearly anyway. #PassengerPackage

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        Noooooooo, ah what he is saying is not what the Regulation says, not clearly anyway. #PassengerPackage

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                        #28

                        NJOOOOOOAOOAOOAOOAOO #PassengerPackage

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          NJOOOOOOAOOAOOAOOAOO #PassengerPackage

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                          Ah this is such a mess #PassengerPackage

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            Ah this is such a mess #PassengerPackage

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                            This is a mess #PassengerPackage

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                            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                              This is a mess #PassengerPackage

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                              This is not going to work. #PassengerPackage

                              There is a SINGLE TRANSACTION obligation to get rights - see https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/fc019827-59c9-400f-a530-4d7d21957a7d_en?filename=COM_2026_233_Proposal_on_the_protection_of_passengers_with_single_tickets.pdf

                              BUT that means that IF you have some ticket already - a Klimaticket for example - and want to add something on to that, you are left without rights

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                              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                This is a mess #PassengerPackage

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                                @jon Have you already found a part in which is written that a OSDM purchase might not necessarily considered as a single commercial transaction?

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                                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                  This is not going to work. #PassengerPackage

                                  There is a SINGLE TRANSACTION obligation to get rights - see https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/fc019827-59c9-400f-a530-4d7d21957a7d_en?filename=COM_2026_233_Proposal_on_the_protection_of_passengers_with_single_tickets.pdf

                                  BUT that means that IF you have some ticket already - a Klimaticket for example - and want to add something on to that, you are left without rights

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                                  Basically in this #PassengerPackage the Commission seems to have in mind someone who takes a train once a year on holiday, not people who ever do this even semi regularly.

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                                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                    This is not going to work. #PassengerPackage

                                    There is a SINGLE TRANSACTION obligation to get rights - see https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/fc019827-59c9-400f-a530-4d7d21957a7d_en?filename=COM_2026_233_Proposal_on_the_protection_of_passengers_with_single_tickets.pdf

                                    BUT that means that IF you have some ticket already - a Klimaticket for example - and want to add something on to that, you are left without rights

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                                    @jon Couldn't you just have a 0-cost ticket as part of the full through ticket?

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                                    • wrzlbrnft@troet.cafeW wrzlbrnft@troet.cafe

                                      @jon Have you already found a part in which is written that a OSDM purchase might not necessarily considered as a single commercial transaction?

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                                      @wrzlbrnft I think one purchase transaction, purchasing multiple tickets via OSDM, is *included* and covered.

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                                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                        Basically in this #PassengerPackage the Commission seems to have in mind someone who takes a train once a year on holiday, not people who ever do this even semi regularly.

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                                        We're now talking about airlines in the press conference 🤷‍♂️ #PassengerPackage

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                                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                          Basically in this #PassengerPackage the Commission seems to have in mind someone who takes a train once a year on holiday, not people who ever do this even semi regularly.

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                                          @jon SNCF is going to find a loophole to just make it impossible to use the "one ticketing transaction" for their trains nevertheless.

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