Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
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@leonardof @phl @AndrewRadev "Copilot started reviewing on behalf of bagder" is what had me worried https://github.com/curl/curl/pull/20793
thanks, that's new for me
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Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
@AndrewRadev i wonder if vimland is large enough to sustain a non-AI fork
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Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
vi not vim 4ever
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@KatS @barubary @AndrewRadev don't switch yet. GNU is still discussing whether to allow LLM vomitted code contributions. Them of all projects not rejecting it on ideological grounds and some emacs manitainers seemingly liking LLMs is not a good sign though.
I will be MAD if I have to abandon emacs because of this shit
@lhp @KatS @barubary @AndrewRadev Oh if they ensloppify emacs I will be on the evening news.
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@dirtside why?
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Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
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@penny @dirtside maybe we can go straight to basics: I'll start by saying I don't believe in copyright. I know it's necessary in today's world, but I'm personally opposed to it. I think it's a true reflection of capitalism and this world is much more worse off because of it than without.
Regarding AI, I believe there's a distinction between the theoretical technology and the current companies that deploy popular models. As well as downstream effects caused by them.
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@penny @dirtside maybe we can go straight to basics: I'll start by saying I don't believe in copyright. I know it's necessary in today's world, but I'm personally opposed to it. I think it's a true reflection of capitalism and this world is much more worse off because of it than without.
Regarding AI, I believe there's a distinction between the theoretical technology and the current companies that deploy popular models. As well as downstream effects caused by them.
@penny @dirtside to add: I personally try to fight AI slop myself https://github.com/eljojo/no-autopilot
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@f4grx @AndrewRadev I have a radical opinion that every over 45 should be provided an apartment, a latest game console with a subscription, and a lifetime food and beer supply, and banned from working. For exactly this reason.
@remove_huilo take your ageism and put it where the sun doesn't reach @f4grx @AndrewRadev
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@penny @dirtside maybe we can go straight to basics: I'll start by saying I don't believe in copyright. I know it's necessary in today's world, but I'm personally opposed to it. I think it's a true reflection of capitalism and this world is much more worse off because of it than without.
Regarding AI, I believe there's a distinction between the theoretical technology and the current companies that deploy popular models. As well as downstream effects caused by them.
@eljojo @dirtside I don’t either, but here, I will give you a copypaste of my most recent spiel and then politely, I will block you when I believe it’s been received because I don’t really want to know you at this time
it’s all stolen but I don’t even care about copyright, it’s an existential threat to the internet and to society that is funded by billionaires who hate us
It exists only to cause harm and if you get anything out of it you are only enabling and reaping that harm
I also think by the nature of information theory llms can only digest information and lower the entropy floor- anything they output is worse than what they ingested, anything they remove is destroyed
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Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
@AndrewRadev holy fucking shit not vim
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@eljojo @dirtside I don’t either, but here, I will give you a copypaste of my most recent spiel and then politely, I will block you when I believe it’s been received because I don’t really want to know you at this time
it’s all stolen but I don’t even care about copyright, it’s an existential threat to the internet and to society that is funded by billionaires who hate us
It exists only to cause harm and if you get anything out of it you are only enabling and reaping that harm
I also think by the nature of information theory llms can only digest information and lower the entropy floor- anything they output is worse than what they ingested, anything they remove is destroyed
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Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
@AndrewRadev not sure how bram would feel about this if he were still around, god rest his soul
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@lhp @KatS @barubary @AndrewRadev Oh if they ensloppify emacs I will be on the evening news.
@theorangetheme @KatS @barubary @AndrewRadev I do wonder if it would make sense to mail rms and ask him to not allow it? I can't stand the guy, at all, he held free software back by decades by being <we all know what he is>, but he has veto powers in GNU and might be swayed my moral arguments...
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Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
It feels like Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
One of these days I'll go to a conference and mention that I don't use AI and the whole room will go silent with everyone's mouth in a wide "O" pointing at me.
Yeah, I'm talking about the 1978 version, which seems even more appropriate. You could make endless memes from scenes of that film. https://archive.org/details/Popcornarchive-invasionOfTheBodySnatchers1978#
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Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
@AndrewRadev the thing is, if you ask AI to find issues in the PR, it would find issues, whenever they're insane, impossible or irrelevant.
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Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
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@kunev "There, I fixed it"
Monkey’s paw closes
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This is in a PR where Shougo, another long-time contributor, communicates entirely in walls of unparseable AI slop text: https://github.com/vim/vim/pull/19413
What a pathetic state after decades of active, thoughtful work. "I asked the chatbot how to write this code", "Well, I asked my chatbot, and "he" doesn't like it". What a fucking embarrassment.
> He is responsible for reviewing and making calls on every single issue and PR. While other members do help, we are severely understaffed. Using AI to streamline this overwhelming workload is a practical necessity
Gosh, I'd love to know what Bram would say to this comment in particular.
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@KatS @barubary @AndrewRadev don't switch yet. GNU is still discussing whether to allow LLM vomitted code contributions. Them of all projects not rejecting it on ideological grounds and some emacs manitainers seemingly liking LLMs is not a good sign though.
I will be MAD if I have to abandon emacs because of this shit
