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  • leonardof@bertha.socialL leonardof@bertha.social

    @danielsiepmann @AndrewRadev @normalmode

    Claude in Neovim:

    https://github.com/neovim/neovim/issues?q=Claude%20label%3A%22AI%20assisted%20%F0%9F%A4%96%22

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    #89

    @AndrewRadev @normalmode @leonardof Yeah I directly checked Neovim and Github showed the notice, because I blocked Claude.

    I hope for the best, as I don't have any proper fallback editor.

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    • andrewradev@hachyderm.ioA andrewradev@hachyderm.io

      > Thank you for the detailed feedback! I've addressed all the issues:
      > Thank you for the feedback! I agree that following the Vim 8+ naming convention makes sense.
      > Thank you for the feedback on naming!
      > Thanks for the suggestion! After thinking about this more, I believe repeat_set() / repeat_get() is the right choice:
      > Thank you for the feedback. A brief clarification.

      This isn't even rewriting his own thoughts in whatever bland style the chatbot can muster, it's just dumping people's comments into the bot and copy-pasting whatever it shits out.

      This is The Future that boosters want: An endless bikeshedding session where agreeable chatbots trade excessively polite thank-yous and screenfuls of bullet-pointed lists. A bunch of children, getting paid to play around with tamagotchis.

      What a bleak fucking future to dream of.

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      #90
      @AndrewRadev feeling reaffirmed in my stance that AI is also a wake-up call to society as a whole—because this so-called AI can only do bullshit formalities and soulless reproduction of expected patterns without doing any real work or any real thinking, whatever job AI can take is 100% a bullshit job that shouldn’t exist in the first place

      i feel like this is yanking at some very fundamental systems interwoven in the social fabric, and i’m not sure peopla quite realize the extent of it yet; the repercussions, should it all unravel—which
      might just happen. the constantly accelerating propagation and increasing information density of communication, and now this technology, seem to me like they’re heralding a sort of collective awakening that perfectly coincides with the decline of the last generations that did not grow up cultivating unprecedented mental flexibility in a rapidly, drastically and unpredictably changing world viewed through the kaleidoscope peephole of the internet. a point in time where we all begin to realize and seriously ask ourselves, “what if we just stopped doing things the way our ancestors did, and reevaluated everything they consider normal? should we let the living organism that is our society be governed by the principles of people who worry about the decline in alcohol and tobacco consumption, or are they a malignant growth that needs to be excised?”

      because to me, what this AI does and how it fits into the world, and how it reaches into almost every corner of an average person’s life, just highlights the hypernormal fakeness that permeates everything in our tech-infused modern lifestyle full of abstractions and bureaucracy that keep us from engaging with the real world. i’m starting to think that everyone seemingly having worse ADHD/ASD symptoms than ever is no coincidence either, because deep down we realize that the world in our minds, the one we engage with as a proxy for what is real, is an unrewarding vacuum thirsting for meaning—and being deprived of healthy bonds, closeness and intimacy also means being deprived of things that are absolutely essential for brain development.

      how is it that the world is so vivid and full of life, yet so dead and bleak in our minds that we constantly have to surround ourselves with artificial stimuli to keep us occupied with abstractions, afterimages, fantasies and worries about things we collectively made up? how did we all get traumatized and brainwashed so badly we lost our sense of wonder and appreciation for the life that surrounds us, and replaced the warmth in our everyday encounters, that thing we absolutely need for our mental wellbeing, with touchscreens, self-service terminals and machines that show us only what we want to see? why choose to live in concrete jungles where no matter where you go, something tries to drill into your skull to make you want to consume more of the fakeness? or in suburbs where we’re horribly alone with nothing to do and no one to meet?
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      • steko@scholar.socialS steko@scholar.social

        @leonardof @phl @AndrewRadev "Copilot started reviewing on behalf of bagder" is what had me worried https://github.com/curl/curl/pull/20793

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        #91

        @steko @phl @AndrewRadev

        thanks, that's new for me

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        • andrewradev@hachyderm.ioA andrewradev@hachyderm.io

          Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind

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          #92

          @AndrewRadev i wonder if vimland is large enough to sustain a non-AI fork

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          • andrewradev@hachyderm.ioA andrewradev@hachyderm.io

            Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind

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            vi not vim 4ever
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            • lhp@mastodon.socialL lhp@mastodon.social

              @KatS @barubary @AndrewRadev don't switch yet. GNU is still discussing whether to allow LLM vomitted code contributions. Them of all projects not rejecting it on ideological grounds and some emacs manitainers seemingly liking LLMs is not a good sign though.

              I will be MAD if I have to abandon emacs because of this shit

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              @lhp @KatS @barubary @AndrewRadev Oh if they ensloppify emacs I will be on the evening news.

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              • eljojo@ruby.socialE eljojo@ruby.social

                @dirtside why?

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                #95

                @eljojo @dirtside We could give you a bullet pointed list of all the ways generative AI is harmful- but frankly there’s plenty available on the subject and if you’re so ethically bankrupt you’ve ignored it so far, your opinion is not going to change in this thread

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                • andrewradev@hachyderm.ioA andrewradev@hachyderm.io

                  Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind

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                  @AndrewRadev

                  It makes me nervous, when people anthropomorphize #AI ("he" is not "happy").

                  OTOH, I anthropomorphize #gcc since version 1.40. She was so annoyed about my code back then. I'm sorry, gcc, forgive me!

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                  • penny@eldritch.cafeP penny@eldritch.cafe

                    @eljojo @dirtside We could give you a bullet pointed list of all the ways generative AI is harmful- but frankly there’s plenty available on the subject and if you’re so ethically bankrupt you’ve ignored it so far, your opinion is not going to change in this thread

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                    @penny @dirtside maybe we can go straight to basics: I'll start by saying I don't believe in copyright. I know it's necessary in today's world, but I'm personally opposed to it. I think it's a true reflection of capitalism and this world is much more worse off because of it than without.

                    Regarding AI, I believe there's a distinction between the theoretical technology and the current companies that deploy popular models. As well as downstream effects caused by them.

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                    • eljojo@ruby.socialE eljojo@ruby.social

                      @penny @dirtside maybe we can go straight to basics: I'll start by saying I don't believe in copyright. I know it's necessary in today's world, but I'm personally opposed to it. I think it's a true reflection of capitalism and this world is much more worse off because of it than without.

                      Regarding AI, I believe there's a distinction between the theoretical technology and the current companies that deploy popular models. As well as downstream effects caused by them.

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                      @penny @dirtside to add: I personally try to fight AI slop myself https://github.com/eljojo/no-autopilot

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                      • remove_huilo@mas.toR remove_huilo@mas.to

                        @f4grx @AndrewRadev I have a radical opinion that every over 45 should be provided an apartment, a latest game console with a subscription, and a lifetime food and beer supply, and banned from working. For exactly this reason.

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                        @remove_huilo take your ageism and put it where the sun doesn't reach @f4grx @AndrewRadev

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                        • eljojo@ruby.socialE eljojo@ruby.social

                          @penny @dirtside maybe we can go straight to basics: I'll start by saying I don't believe in copyright. I know it's necessary in today's world, but I'm personally opposed to it. I think it's a true reflection of capitalism and this world is much more worse off because of it than without.

                          Regarding AI, I believe there's a distinction between the theoretical technology and the current companies that deploy popular models. As well as downstream effects caused by them.

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                          @eljojo @dirtside I don’t either, but here, I will give you a copypaste of my most recent spiel and then politely, I will block you when I believe it’s been received because I don’t really want to know you at this time

                          it’s all stolen but I don’t even care about copyright, it’s an existential threat to the internet and to society that is funded by billionaires who hate us

                          It exists only to cause harm and if you get anything out of it you are only enabling and reaping that harm

                          I also think by the nature of information theory llms can only digest information and lower the entropy floor- anything they output is worse than what they ingested, anything they remove is destroyed

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                          • andrewradev@hachyderm.ioA andrewradev@hachyderm.io

                            Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind

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                            @AndrewRadev holy fucking shit not vim

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                            • penny@eldritch.cafeP penny@eldritch.cafe

                              @eljojo @dirtside I don’t either, but here, I will give you a copypaste of my most recent spiel and then politely, I will block you when I believe it’s been received because I don’t really want to know you at this time

                              it’s all stolen but I don’t even care about copyright, it’s an existential threat to the internet and to society that is funded by billionaires who hate us

                              It exists only to cause harm and if you get anything out of it you are only enabling and reaping that harm

                              I also think by the nature of information theory llms can only digest information and lower the entropy floor- anything they output is worse than what they ingested, anything they remove is destroyed

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                              @penny @dirtside if you're not willing to engage in conversation, then why engage in conversation?

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                              • andrewradev@hachyderm.ioA andrewradev@hachyderm.io

                                Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind

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                                #103

                                @AndrewRadev not sure how bram would feel about this if he were still around, god rest his soul

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                                • theorangetheme@en.osm.townT theorangetheme@en.osm.town

                                  @lhp @KatS @barubary @AndrewRadev Oh if they ensloppify emacs I will be on the evening news.

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                                  @theorangetheme @KatS @barubary @AndrewRadev I do wonder if it would make sense to mail rms and ask him to not allow it? I can't stand the guy, at all, he held free software back by decades by being <we all know what he is>, but he has veto powers in GNU and might be swayed my moral arguments...

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                                  • andrewradev@hachyderm.ioA andrewradev@hachyderm.io

                                    Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind

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                                    @AndrewRadev

                                    It feels like Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

                                    One of these days I'll go to a conference and mention that I don't use AI and the whole room will go silent with everyone's mouth in a wide "O" pointing at me.

                                    Yeah, I'm talking about the 1978 version, which seems even more appropriate. You could make endless memes from scenes of that film. https://archive.org/details/Popcornarchive-invasionOfTheBodySnatchers1978#

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                                    • andrewradev@hachyderm.ioA andrewradev@hachyderm.io

                                      Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind

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                                      @AndrewRadev the thing is, if you ask AI to find issues in the PR, it would find issues, whenever they're insane, impossible or irrelevant.

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                                      • andrewradev@hachyderm.ioA andrewradev@hachyderm.io

                                        Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind

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                                        #107
                                        @AndrewRadev@hachyderm.io
                                        First Bitwarden.
                                        Then Firefox.
                                        Harfbuzz, too.
                                        Now even Vim?!
                                        Uhh 🤮
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                                        • andrewradev@hachyderm.ioA andrewradev@hachyderm.io

                                          @kunev "There, I fixed it"

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                                          @AndrewRadev @kunev

                                          Monkey’s paw closes

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