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Let the truth be told, let the press be free.

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  • ikuturso@mastodon.socialI ikuturso@mastodon.social

    @Lykkerik @EUCommission Nah, this has nothing to do with that "basic legal principle" as I already explained. The ICC sanctions by the USA are utterly indefensible in comparison to these as they are targeting an independent international court performing its appropriate legal functions, something that shouldn't even be the basis of sanctions in the first place.

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    @ikuturso @EUCommission The U.S. sanctions these individuals for the work they do. They also sanction Francesca Albanese. No legal proceedings, just accusations and punishment. An important part of the accusations against Hüseyin Doğru come from Germany for anti-Israel activities. So not very different at all. Both states have eagerly supported the Zionist genocide on the Palestinians and persecuted opponents to the same. We must protest these violations against legal principles and free speech!

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    • lykkerik@fribygda.noL lykkerik@fribygda.no

      @ikuturso @EUCommission The U.S. sanctions these individuals for the work they do. They also sanction Francesca Albanese. No legal proceedings, just accusations and punishment. An important part of the accusations against Hüseyin Doğru come from Germany for anti-Israel activities. So not very different at all. Both states have eagerly supported the Zionist genocide on the Palestinians and persecuted opponents to the same. We must protest these violations against legal principles and free speech!

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      @Lykkerik @EUCommission I'm aware but as I said there is a fundamental difference between .sanctioning an international court just doing its job for very flimsy reasons vs. sanctioning an organization that was clearly set up by a foreign state actor to spread propaganda on behalf of the Russians directly in the EU.

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      • janneke@todon.nlJ janneke@todon.nl

        @EUCommission
        Journalism that depends on advertising and "clicks" will only ever echo the wants of the oligarchy, never seek out the truth, and never challenge the status quo.

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        @janneke @EUCommission

        The news is shit. With all the "reporters" at the White House Correspondents' Dinner shooting we know virtually NOTHING about the attack. Did the attacker fire a shot? NO. Who shot the SS agent then? Had to be the first SS agent. Bullet is conveniently "lost", say liar Todd Blanche. Who fired the others shots and how many? All the reporters there and they didn't see anything.

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        • ikuturso@mastodon.socialI ikuturso@mastodon.social

          @Lykkerik @EUCommission I'm aware but as I said there is a fundamental difference between .sanctioning an international court just doing its job for very flimsy reasons vs. sanctioning an organization that was clearly set up by a foreign state actor to spread propaganda on behalf of the Russians directly in the EU.

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          @ikuturso @EUCommission The sanctions are aimed at individuals. Either you think it is in principle okay that states and supranational organizations such as the EU can adopt and implement sanctions against individuals without prior legal process, or you don't. Basic legal principles such as "you are innocent until proven guilty" are not something you use only when it suits you.

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          • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

            Let the truth be told, let the press be free. 📰

            Journalists give voice to the voiceless, hold power to account, and keep citizens informed often at great personal risk.

            Too many face intimidation, censorship, and violence simply for doing their job.

            This World Press Freedom Day, we reaffirm our commitment to protecting journalists and defending independent media.

            Because free press is the foundation of democracy.

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            @EUCommission let the internet be free

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            • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

              Let the truth be told, let the press be free. 📰

              Journalists give voice to the voiceless, hold power to account, and keep citizens informed often at great personal risk.

              Too many face intimidation, censorship, and violence simply for doing their job.

              This World Press Freedom Day, we reaffirm our commitment to protecting journalists and defending independent media.

              Because free press is the foundation of democracy.

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              @EUCommission The free press relies on the ability to be pseudonymous, both for the journalists and their sources.

              Don't undermine the foundation of our open societies by building infrastructure for ubiquitous online identity verification.

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              • lykkerik@fribygda.noL lykkerik@fribygda.no

                @ikuturso @EUCommission The sanctions are aimed at individuals. Either you think it is in principle okay that states and supranational organizations such as the EU can adopt and implement sanctions against individuals without prior legal process, or you don't. Basic legal principles such as "you are innocent until proven guilty" are not something you use only when it suits you.

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                @Lykkerik @EUCommission you still seem to be missing the fact that this is simply not a part of the legal system where this principle holds so it isn't a valid criticism for it.

                now, to be fair I guess you could use that as a generic argument for sanctions being a problematic mechanism just in general but that is a pretty different discussion.

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                • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                  Let the truth be told, let the press be free. 📰

                  Journalists give voice to the voiceless, hold power to account, and keep citizens informed often at great personal risk.

                  Too many face intimidation, censorship, and violence simply for doing their job.

                  This World Press Freedom Day, we reaffirm our commitment to protecting journalists and defending independent media.

                  Because free press is the foundation of democracy.

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                  @EUCommission In Europe we are now not even free to call en veggieburger the way we want... And press may be free, but not independent from commerce and politics...

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                  • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                    Let the truth be told, let the press be free. 📰

                    Journalists give voice to the voiceless, hold power to account, and keep citizens informed often at great personal risk.

                    Too many face intimidation, censorship, and violence simply for doing their job.

                    This World Press Freedom Day, we reaffirm our commitment to protecting journalists and defending independent media.

                    Because free press is the foundation of democracy.

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                    @EUCommission Then it would be nice if you'll stop with #digitalomnibus , #ChatControl 2.0, ID verification and similar changes that exposes the identities of these free press journalists.

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                    • ikuturso@mastodon.socialI ikuturso@mastodon.social

                      @Lykkerik @EUCommission you still seem to be missing the fact that this is simply not a part of the legal system where this principle holds so it isn't a valid criticism for it.

                      now, to be fair I guess you could use that as a generic argument for sanctions being a problematic mechanism just in general but that is a pretty different discussion.

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                      @ikuturso @EUCommission You are innocent until proven guilty. Sanctions are punishment, ECHR 6 (2). If you don't understand that this principal is there to safeguard us all at all times under all circumstances you're open for tyranny. Either you've been proven guilty or you're innocent. Sanctions are punishment. Punishments are for those proven guilty. Attacks on free speech and freedom of the press are not to be accepted but to be protested whether they come from Germany, the EU or the U.S.!

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                      • lykkerik@fribygda.noL lykkerik@fribygda.no

                        @ikuturso @EUCommission The sanctions are aimed at individuals. Either you think it is in principle okay that states and supranational organizations such as the EU can adopt and implement sanctions against individuals without prior legal process, or you don't. Basic legal principles such as "you are innocent until proven guilty" are not something you use only when it suits you.

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                        @Lykkerik @ikuturso @EUCommission

                        Probably Lykkerik doesn't understand the concept of EU sanctions on individuals.

                        Maybe the #EU parties united in the parlement could explain this concept for their voters.

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                        • harmbotjes@mastodon.nlH harmbotjes@mastodon.nl

                          @Lykkerik @ikuturso @EUCommission

                          Probably Lykkerik doesn't understand the concept of EU sanctions on individuals.

                          Maybe the #EU parties united in the parlement could explain this concept for their voters.

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                          @HarmBotjes @ikuturso @EUCommission I definitely understand the concept of punishment without due process. I just don't approve of it.

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                          • ikuturso@mastodon.socialI ikuturso@mastodon.social

                            @Lykkerik @EUCommission you still seem to be missing the fact that this is simply not a part of the legal system where this principle holds so it isn't a valid criticism for it.

                            now, to be fair I guess you could use that as a generic argument for sanctions being a problematic mechanism just in general but that is a pretty different discussion.

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                            @ikuturso @EUCommission The principle is universal. Newspeak doesn't change that. If the government is punishing you they have to have a legal basis. And punishment by principle should only be applied when you after due legal process have been proven guilty. You support the individual punishment of a journalist AND his family without due process. That's abhorrent!

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                            • lykkerik@fribygda.noL lykkerik@fribygda.no

                              @HarmBotjes @ikuturso @EUCommission I definitely understand the concept of punishment without due process. I just don't approve of it.

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                              @Lykkerik @ikuturso @EUCommission
                              But do you understand that having special relations with Russia these days could put your name on the EU-sanctions list.
                              In fact the EU has a proxy war with Putinland. A friend of our enemy is, yes of course someone who should be sanctioned.
                              Of course this is a German case. I didn't find info about the journalist in Dutch media.

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                              • harmbotjes@mastodon.nlH harmbotjes@mastodon.nl

                                @Lykkerik @ikuturso @EUCommission
                                But do you understand that having special relations with Russia these days could put your name on the EU-sanctions list.
                                In fact the EU has a proxy war with Putinland. A friend of our enemy is, yes of course someone who should be sanctioned.
                                Of course this is a German case. I didn't find info about the journalist in Dutch media.

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                                @HarmBotjes @ikuturso @EUCommission
                                We know that the Zionist genocidal government of Germany persecutes people protesting the genocide. Hüseyin Doğru has been writing about that. We know that the President of the European Commission is Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen (born 1958) a staunch Zionist in support of the Israeli genocide in Gaza . 

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                                • lykkerik@fribygda.noL lykkerik@fribygda.no

                                  @HarmBotjes @ikuturso @EUCommission
                                  We know that the Zionist genocidal government of Germany persecutes people protesting the genocide. Hüseyin Doğru has been writing about that. We know that the President of the European Commission is Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen (born 1958) a staunch Zionist in support of the Israeli genocide in Gaza . 

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                                  @Lykkerik @ikuturso @EUCommission

                                  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%BCseyin_Do%C4%9Fru

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                                  • harmbotjes@mastodon.nlH harmbotjes@mastodon.nl

                                    @Lykkerik @ikuturso @EUCommission

                                    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%BCseyin_Do%C4%9Fru

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                                    @HarmBotjes @ikuturso @EUCommission Free press or political sensorship and persecution?

                                    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=OJ:L_202500965

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                                    • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                                      Let the truth be told, let the press be free. 📰

                                      Journalists give voice to the voiceless, hold power to account, and keep citizens informed often at great personal risk.

                                      Too many face intimidation, censorship, and violence simply for doing their job.

                                      This World Press Freedom Day, we reaffirm our commitment to protecting journalists and defending independent media.

                                      Because free press is the foundation of democracy.

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                                      @EUCommission To include (please) "free from the private ownership/control of oligarchs, also known as "press barons".

                                      The better model for a free press is ownership by a Board of Trustees pledged to uphold basic principles of probity & objectivity. Presently sadly lacking in the United Kingdom, with calamitous consequences for citizens.

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                                      • lykkerik@fribygda.noL lykkerik@fribygda.no

                                        @HarmBotjes @ikuturso @EUCommission Free press or political sensorship and persecution?

                                        https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=OJ:L_202500965

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                                        @Lykkerik @HarmBotjes @EUCommission Doğru has been at this for a while now. Before the "RED" rebranding he was a central figure in "Redfish" which the Russian state media channel RT has directly admitted was funded by them.

                                        To me it seems clear enough that this really is a Russia-run operation and so the sanctioning is most likely about that more than anything else even if Doğru of course wants to try to use it to further Russia's goals too.

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                                        • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                                          Let the truth be told, let the press be free. 📰

                                          Journalists give voice to the voiceless, hold power to account, and keep citizens informed often at great personal risk.

                                          Too many face intimidation, censorship, and violence simply for doing their job.

                                          This World Press Freedom Day, we reaffirm our commitment to protecting journalists and defending independent media.

                                          Because free press is the foundation of democracy.

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                                          @EUCommission hypocritical European executives complicit in genocide and crimes against humanity of Israel terrorist state that continues to murder #civilians, #journalists, #doctors and #paramedics. history will never forgive you criminals disguised beings without reason or mercy, there are no words in the world that describe their evil

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