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Let the truth be told, let the press be free.

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  • ikuturso@mastodon.socialI ikuturso@mastodon.social

    @Lykkerik @EUCommission it's exactly how sanctions are supposed work, they're not at all a "punishment" in the sense that convictions in the justice system are.

    That's not to say they cannot be challenged legally after the fact of course if there's any real basis to do it. In this case it sounds like there may not really be.

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    @ikuturso @EUCommission So, to avoid the annoying legal principle that you're innocent until proven guilty, we use sanctions because sanctions (blocking an individual and his family's existence) is not punishment. Sounds alarmingly antidemocratic to me.

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    • lykkerik@fribygda.noL lykkerik@fribygda.no

      @ikuturso @EUCommission So, to avoid the annoying legal principle that you're innocent until proven guilty, we use sanctions because sanctions (blocking an individual and his family's existence) is not punishment. Sounds alarmingly antidemocratic to me.

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      @Lykkerik @EUCommission well, if we started seeing cases where state actors weren't really involved and the connection to foreign policy was not really defensible I'd agree it would be worrying.

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      • ikuturso@mastodon.socialI ikuturso@mastodon.social

        @Lykkerik @EUCommission well, if we started seeing cases where state actors weren't really involved and the connection to foreign policy was not really defensible I'd agree it would be worrying.

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        @ikuturso @EUCommission Either you believe in the basic legal principle that everyone's innocent until proven guilty, or you don't. Has he been tried and found guilty of committing a crime, or not? What follows that sort of legal understanding is also this: https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/icc-strongly-rejects-new-us-sanctions-against-judges-and-deputy-prosecutors

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        • lindarosesmit@mastodon.socialL lindarosesmit@mastodon.social

          @EUCommission well done. Now start sanctioning Israel for constantly targeting journalist.

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          @lindarosesmit @EUCommission and why not beginning with european countries ? Like FRANCE ?
          https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/11/france-is-not-the-free-speech-champion-it-says-it-is-2/

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          • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

            Let the truth be told, let the press be free. 📰

            Journalists give voice to the voiceless, hold power to account, and keep citizens informed often at great personal risk.

            Too many face intimidation, censorship, and violence simply for doing their job.

            This World Press Freedom Day, we reaffirm our commitment to protecting journalists and defending independent media.

            Because free press is the foundation of democracy.

            elricofmelnibone@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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            @EUCommission Except when the truth is mildly inconvenient to those in power or those with wealth. Then the truth will be muted and reporters will lose funding.

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            • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

              Let the truth be told, let the press be free. 📰

              Journalists give voice to the voiceless, hold power to account, and keep citizens informed often at great personal risk.

              Too many face intimidation, censorship, and violence simply for doing their job.

              This World Press Freedom Day, we reaffirm our commitment to protecting journalists and defending independent media.

              Because free press is the foundation of democracy.

              bigbelgianbopper@mastodon-belgium.beB This user is from outside of this forum
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              @EUCommission the why not pressure #israel more about killing #journalists. About not letting #journalists into #gaza?

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              • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                Let the truth be told, let the press be free. 📰

                Journalists give voice to the voiceless, hold power to account, and keep citizens informed often at great personal risk.

                Too many face intimidation, censorship, and violence simply for doing their job.

                This World Press Freedom Day, we reaffirm our commitment to protecting journalists and defending independent media.

                Because free press is the foundation of democracy.

                mimsical@piaille.frM This user is from outside of this forum
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                mimsical@piaille.fr
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                @EUCommission suspend the EU-Israel trade agreement to give this pledge some teeth

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                • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                  Let the truth be told, let the press be free. 📰

                  Journalists give voice to the voiceless, hold power to account, and keep citizens informed often at great personal risk.

                  Too many face intimidation, censorship, and violence simply for doing their job.

                  This World Press Freedom Day, we reaffirm our commitment to protecting journalists and defending independent media.

                  Because free press is the foundation of democracy.

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                  @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
                  Fuck the EU and its complicity with an ongoing genocide.

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                  • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                    Let the truth be told, let the press be free. 📰

                    Journalists give voice to the voiceless, hold power to account, and keep citizens informed often at great personal risk.

                    Too many face intimidation, censorship, and violence simply for doing their job.

                    This World Press Freedom Day, we reaffirm our commitment to protecting journalists and defending independent media.

                    Because free press is the foundation of democracy.

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                    chefx@defcon.social
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                    @EUCommission Then stop pushing for ID verification online.
                    Not every opinion needs to be bound to an ID. Let journalists and everyone else be anonymous if they need or want to.

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                    • lykkerik@fribygda.noL lykkerik@fribygda.no

                      @ikuturso @EUCommission Either you believe in the basic legal principle that everyone's innocent until proven guilty, or you don't. Has he been tried and found guilty of committing a crime, or not? What follows that sort of legal understanding is also this: https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/icc-strongly-rejects-new-us-sanctions-against-judges-and-deputy-prosecutors

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                      @Lykkerik @EUCommission Nah, this has nothing to do with that "basic legal principle" as I already explained. The ICC sanctions by the USA are utterly indefensible in comparison to these as they are targeting an independent international court performing its appropriate legal functions, something that shouldn't even be the basis of sanctions in the first place.

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                      • martin@libera.siteM This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @#BlindAltBot Dead terrorists, good terrorist.
                        #^https://www.timesofisrael.com/majority-of-journalists-killed-in-gaza-linked-to-terror-organizations-study-says/
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                        • lindarosesmit@mastodon.socialL lindarosesmit@mastodon.social

                          @EUCommission well done. Now start sanctioning Israel for constantly targeting journalist.

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                          @Linda Rose Smit 😂
                          #^https://www.timesofisrael.com/majority-of-journalists-killed-in-gaza-linked-to-terror-organizations-study-says/
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                          • rhelune@todon.euR rhelune@todon.eu

                            @EUCommission You are starving a German journalist's children because he dared to write about the genocide of Palestinians!

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                            @Enola Knezevic What genocide?

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                            • bigbelgianbopper@mastodon-belgium.beB bigbelgianbopper@mastodon-belgium.be

                              @EUCommission the why not pressure #israel more about killing #journalists. About not letting #journalists into #gaza?

                              martin@libera.siteM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @Big Belgian Bopper 🔻🐸 Terrorist is not journalist.
                              #^https://www.timesofisrael.com/majority-of-journalists-killed-in-gaza-linked-to-terror-organizations-study-says/
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                              • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                                Let the truth be told, let the press be free. 📰

                                Journalists give voice to the voiceless, hold power to account, and keep citizens informed often at great personal risk.

                                Too many face intimidation, censorship, and violence simply for doing their job.

                                This World Press Freedom Day, we reaffirm our commitment to protecting journalists and defending independent media.

                                Because free press is the foundation of democracy.

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                                kodr@piaille.fr
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                                @EUCommission what kind of hypocrisy is this?

                                Stop trade agreement with Israël.

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                                • mimsical@piaille.frM mimsical@piaille.fr

                                  @EUCommission suspend the EU-Israel trade agreement to give this pledge some teeth

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                                  @Mimsical Nope.
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                                  • freediverx@mastodon.socialF freediverx@mastodon.social

                                    @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
                                    Fuck the EU and its complicity with an ongoing genocide.

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                                    @FreediverX What genocide? In your skull?
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                                    • martin@libera.siteM martin@libera.site
                                      @FreediverX What genocide? In your skull?
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                                      @martin
                                      Fuck off, fascist.

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                                      • ikuturso@mastodon.socialI ikuturso@mastodon.social

                                        @Lykkerik @EUCommission Nah, this has nothing to do with that "basic legal principle" as I already explained. The ICC sanctions by the USA are utterly indefensible in comparison to these as they are targeting an independent international court performing its appropriate legal functions, something that shouldn't even be the basis of sanctions in the first place.

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                                        @ikuturso @EUCommission The U.S. sanctions these individuals for the work they do. They also sanction Francesca Albanese. No legal proceedings, just accusations and punishment. An important part of the accusations against Hüseyin Doğru come from Germany for anti-Israel activities. So not very different at all. Both states have eagerly supported the Zionist genocide on the Palestinians and persecuted opponents to the same. We must protest these violations against legal principles and free speech!

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                                        • lykkerik@fribygda.noL lykkerik@fribygda.no

                                          @ikuturso @EUCommission The U.S. sanctions these individuals for the work they do. They also sanction Francesca Albanese. No legal proceedings, just accusations and punishment. An important part of the accusations against Hüseyin Doğru come from Germany for anti-Israel activities. So not very different at all. Both states have eagerly supported the Zionist genocide on the Palestinians and persecuted opponents to the same. We must protest these violations against legal principles and free speech!

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                                          @Lykkerik @EUCommission I'm aware but as I said there is a fundamental difference between .sanctioning an international court just doing its job for very flimsy reasons vs. sanctioning an organization that was clearly set up by a foreign state actor to spread propaganda on behalf of the Russians directly in the EU.

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