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OH: “What is it about DNS that people find so difficult?

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  • drewtowler@mas.toD drewtowler@mas.to

    @mdreid I'm now wondering if I've ever had an off-by-one error when working with DNS, to get the hat trick. I fear it's possible.

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    @drewtowler If you get exactly two then that’s the hat trick right? 😉

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    • mdreid@mastodon.socialM mdreid@mastodon.social

      @drewtowler If you get exactly two then that’s the hat trick right? 😉

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      @mdreid Haha, I see what you did there.

      (I think...)

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      • mdreid@mastodon.socialM mdreid@mastodon.social

        For the non-computer-science folks confused by this: these, along with off-by-one errors, are commonly described as the “two hardest problems in computer science”.

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        #8

        @mdreid

        I believe the classic saying is:

        There are only two hard problems in computer science:
        0. Cache coherency
        1. Naming things
        2. Off-by-one errors.

        But, you top-level post made me literally laugh out loud, because I could _absolutely_ imagine the type(s) of person that might say it.

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        • boydstephensmithjr@hachyderm.ioB boydstephensmithjr@hachyderm.io

          @mdreid

          I believe the classic saying is:

          There are only two hard problems in computer science:
          0. Cache coherency
          1. Naming things
          2. Off-by-one errors.

          But, you top-level post made me literally laugh out loud, because I could _absolutely_ imagine the type(s) of person that might say it.

          mdreid@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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          @BoydStephenSmithJr Yes, that was the exactly the saying the original post and my follow up comment was alluding to.

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          • mdreid@mastodon.socialM mdreid@mastodon.social

            OH: “What is it about DNS that people find so difficult? It’s just cache invalidation and naming things.”

            paul_ipv6@infosec.exchangeP This user is from outside of this forum
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            #10

            @mdreid

            LOL

            what's so hard about computers? it's just hardware and software. 😉

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            • paul_ipv6@infosec.exchangeP paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange

              @mdreid

              LOL

              what's so hard about computers? it's just hardware and software. 😉

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              @paul_ipv6 I mean, it’s right there in the name: “hard”ware. 🙂

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              • mdreid@mastodon.socialM mdreid@mastodon.social

                OH: “What is it about DNS that people find so difficult? It’s just cache invalidation and naming things.”

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                cool_day@mastodon.social
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                @mdreid Dylan Bettie made a similar joke https://youtu.be/9CSjlZeqKOc?t=446

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                • mdreid@mastodon.socialM mdreid@mastodon.social

                  OH: “What is it about DNS that people find so difficult? It’s just cache invalidation and naming things.”

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                  @mdreid

                  Yes. That's all! 😂🤣🤦‍♂️

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                  • drewtowler@mas.toD drewtowler@mas.to

                    @mdreid I'm now wondering if I've ever had an off-by-one error when working with DNS, to get the hat trick. I fear it's possible.

                    tarix29@tech.lgbtT This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @drewtowler @mdreid I almost certainly have, one of my uni classes made us implement a basic DNS server from scratch and I definitely overflowed a buffer at some point due to off by one

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                    • tarix29@tech.lgbtT tarix29@tech.lgbt

                      @drewtowler @mdreid I almost certainly have, one of my uni classes made us implement a basic DNS server from scratch and I definitely overflowed a buffer at some point due to off by one

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                      @tarix29 @drewtowler @mdreid
                      Come on, counting to 63 can't be that hard 😇

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                      • boydstephensmithjr@hachyderm.ioB boydstephensmithjr@hachyderm.io

                        @mdreid

                        I believe the classic saying is:

                        There are only two hard problems in computer science:
                        0. Cache coherency
                        1. Naming things
                        2. Off-by-one errors.

                        But, you top-level post made me literally laugh out loud, because I could _absolutely_ imagine the type(s) of person that might say it.

                        idnorton@tech.lgbtI This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @BoydStephenSmithJr @mdreid this is absolutely my standard reply to this 🙂

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                        • mdreid@mastodon.socialM mdreid@mastodon.social

                          OH: “What is it about DNS that people find so difficult? It’s just cache invalidation and naming things.”

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                          @mdreid Also off by one errors in your zone serial…

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                          • paul_ipv6@infosec.exchangeP paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange

                            @mdreid

                            LOL

                            what's so hard about computers? it's just hardware and software. 😉

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                            @paul_ipv6 @mdreid And firmware.

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                            • geert@society.oftrolls.comG geert@society.oftrolls.com

                              @paul_ipv6 @mdreid And firmware.

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                              @geert @mdreid

                              firmware is just software that dried out a bit in the sun. 😉

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                              • drewtowler@mas.toD drewtowler@mas.to

                                @mdreid I'm now wondering if I've ever had an off-by-one error when working with DNS, to get the hat trick. I fear it's possible.

                                pmevzek@framapiaf.orgP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @drewtowler @mdreid 1) Name compression and offset handling (all DNS software was buggy in the past about that, confusing == and && when testing specific bits) and 2) bitsquatting (either from space rays or humans)

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