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OH: “What is it about DNS that people find so difficult?

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  • mdreid@mastodon.socialM mdreid@mastodon.social

    OH: “What is it about DNS that people find so difficult? It’s just cache invalidation and naming things.”

    drewtowler@mas.toD This user is from outside of this forum
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    @mdreid I'm now wondering if I've ever had an off-by-one error when working with DNS, to get the hat trick. I fear it's possible.

    mdreid@mastodon.socialM tarix29@tech.lgbtT pmevzek@framapiaf.orgP 3 Replies Last reply
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    • drewtowler@mas.toD drewtowler@mas.to

      @mdreid I'm now wondering if I've ever had an off-by-one error when working with DNS, to get the hat trick. I fear it's possible.

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      @drewtowler If you get exactly two then that’s the hat trick right? 😉

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      • mdreid@mastodon.socialM mdreid@mastodon.social

        @drewtowler If you get exactly two then that’s the hat trick right? 😉

        drewtowler@mas.toD This user is from outside of this forum
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        @mdreid Haha, I see what you did there.

        (I think...)

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        • mdreid@mastodon.socialM mdreid@mastodon.social

          For the non-computer-science folks confused by this: these, along with off-by-one errors, are commonly described as the “two hardest problems in computer science”.

          boydstephensmithjr@hachyderm.ioB This user is from outside of this forum
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          @mdreid

          I believe the classic saying is:

          There are only two hard problems in computer science:
          0. Cache coherency
          1. Naming things
          2. Off-by-one errors.

          But, you top-level post made me literally laugh out loud, because I could _absolutely_ imagine the type(s) of person that might say it.

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          • boydstephensmithjr@hachyderm.ioB boydstephensmithjr@hachyderm.io

            @mdreid

            I believe the classic saying is:

            There are only two hard problems in computer science:
            0. Cache coherency
            1. Naming things
            2. Off-by-one errors.

            But, you top-level post made me literally laugh out loud, because I could _absolutely_ imagine the type(s) of person that might say it.

            mdreid@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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            @BoydStephenSmithJr Yes, that was the exactly the saying the original post and my follow up comment was alluding to.

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            • mdreid@mastodon.socialM mdreid@mastodon.social

              OH: “What is it about DNS that people find so difficult? It’s just cache invalidation and naming things.”

              paul_ipv6@infosec.exchangeP This user is from outside of this forum
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              @mdreid

              LOL

              what's so hard about computers? it's just hardware and software. 😉

              mdreid@mastodon.socialM geert@society.oftrolls.comG 2 Replies Last reply
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              • paul_ipv6@infosec.exchangeP paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange

                @mdreid

                LOL

                what's so hard about computers? it's just hardware and software. 😉

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                @paul_ipv6 I mean, it’s right there in the name: “hard”ware. 🙂

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                • mdreid@mastodon.socialM mdreid@mastodon.social

                  OH: “What is it about DNS that people find so difficult? It’s just cache invalidation and naming things.”

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                  cool_day@mastodon.social
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                  @mdreid Dylan Bettie made a similar joke https://youtu.be/9CSjlZeqKOc?t=446

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                  • mdreid@mastodon.socialM mdreid@mastodon.social

                    OH: “What is it about DNS that people find so difficult? It’s just cache invalidation and naming things.”

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                    @mdreid

                    Yes. That's all! 😂🤣🤦‍♂️

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                    • drewtowler@mas.toD drewtowler@mas.to

                      @mdreid I'm now wondering if I've ever had an off-by-one error when working with DNS, to get the hat trick. I fear it's possible.

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                      @drewtowler @mdreid I almost certainly have, one of my uni classes made us implement a basic DNS server from scratch and I definitely overflowed a buffer at some point due to off by one

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                      • tarix29@tech.lgbtT tarix29@tech.lgbt

                        @drewtowler @mdreid I almost certainly have, one of my uni classes made us implement a basic DNS server from scratch and I definitely overflowed a buffer at some point due to off by one

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                        @tarix29 @drewtowler @mdreid
                        Come on, counting to 63 can't be that hard 😇

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                        • boydstephensmithjr@hachyderm.ioB boydstephensmithjr@hachyderm.io

                          @mdreid

                          I believe the classic saying is:

                          There are only two hard problems in computer science:
                          0. Cache coherency
                          1. Naming things
                          2. Off-by-one errors.

                          But, you top-level post made me literally laugh out loud, because I could _absolutely_ imagine the type(s) of person that might say it.

                          idnorton@tech.lgbtI This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @BoydStephenSmithJr @mdreid this is absolutely my standard reply to this 🙂

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                          • mdreid@mastodon.socialM mdreid@mastodon.social

                            OH: “What is it about DNS that people find so difficult? It’s just cache invalidation and naming things.”

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                            @mdreid Also off by one errors in your zone serial…

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                            • paul_ipv6@infosec.exchangeP paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange

                              @mdreid

                              LOL

                              what's so hard about computers? it's just hardware and software. 😉

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                              @paul_ipv6 @mdreid And firmware.

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                              • geert@society.oftrolls.comG geert@society.oftrolls.com

                                @paul_ipv6 @mdreid And firmware.

                                paul_ipv6@infosec.exchangeP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @geert @mdreid

                                firmware is just software that dried out a bit in the sun. 😉

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                                • drewtowler@mas.toD drewtowler@mas.to

                                  @mdreid I'm now wondering if I've ever had an off-by-one error when working with DNS, to get the hat trick. I fear it's possible.

                                  pmevzek@framapiaf.orgP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @drewtowler @mdreid 1) Name compression and offset handling (all DNS software was buggy in the past about that, confusing == and && when testing specific bits) and 2) bitsquatting (either from space rays or humans)

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