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You know how a gambler who loses it all starts begging his family for cash or putting their house up for a loan?

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  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

    Over the past few weeks, several US banks have pulled off from lending to Oracle for expanding its AI data centres, as per a report. So Oracle is now firing 30000 engineers as banks pull out from financing AI data centres and OpenAI deals to meet fools dream. Wise investors are pulling out of data centres now as they found out it's impossible to reach AGI & exponential AI growth through increasing the scale of compute. LLMs have already hit their developmental plateau https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/oracle-layoffs-tech-giant-to-slash-30-000-jobs-as-banks-pull-out-from-financing-ai-data-centres-11769996619410.html

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    @nixCraft

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    • lexinova@cyberplace.socialL lexinova@cyberplace.social

      @nixCraft don't know either, but that would precipitate the process xD

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      @lexinova @nixCraft read somewhere (guardian?) there is supposedly an increase in sales for chinese language primers in the US. wouldn’t surprise me.

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      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

        Over the past few weeks, several US banks have pulled off from lending to Oracle for expanding its AI data centres, as per a report. So Oracle is now firing 30000 engineers as banks pull out from financing AI data centres and OpenAI deals to meet fools dream. Wise investors are pulling out of data centres now as they found out it's impossible to reach AGI & exponential AI growth through increasing the scale of compute. LLMs have already hit their developmental plateau https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/oracle-layoffs-tech-giant-to-slash-30-000-jobs-as-banks-pull-out-from-financing-ai-data-centres-11769996619410.html

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        @nixCraft@mastodon.social

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        • coostax@fosstodon.orgC coostax@fosstodon.org

          @lexinova @nixCraft
          unfortunately I don't think Oracle will go under, they have friends in high places...

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          @coostax @lexinova @nixCraft Indeed. Oracle is to big to fail™️, and the fascists need the Ellisons for their propaganda

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          • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

            Over the past few weeks, several US banks have pulled off from lending to Oracle for expanding its AI data centres, as per a report. So Oracle is now firing 30000 engineers as banks pull out from financing AI data centres and OpenAI deals to meet fools dream. Wise investors are pulling out of data centres now as they found out it's impossible to reach AGI & exponential AI growth through increasing the scale of compute. LLMs have already hit their developmental plateau https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/oracle-layoffs-tech-giant-to-slash-30-000-jobs-as-banks-pull-out-from-financing-ai-data-centres-11769996619410.html

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            @nixCraft

            Feel bad for the folks that were working there, but also, fuck Oracle.

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            • keyboardg@mastodon.socialK keyboardg@mastodon.social

              @nixCraft @nivrig The big risk is when the software companies fold, Oracle is stuck with the infrastructure bill and real estate. Oracle raced to land grab with limited upside and all the risk.

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              @keyboardg @nixCraft @nivrig wow 30k that is going to
              Be noticed. I haven't seen numbers like that since 2008, Cisco had some layoff in that range.

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              • marco@mastodon.skup.inM marco@mastodon.skup.in

                @nixCraft on one hand it makes me very happy to see the AI bubble burst, but it's incredibly sad to see that workers are the ones to suffer again

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                @marco @nixCraft We're fungible assets on the balance sheet. We don't matter.

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                • lexinova@cyberplace.socialL lexinova@cyberplace.social

                  @marco @nixCraft will not be a burst, but more a market correction.

                  meaning 80 - 90 % of AI startup and company will go bankrupt, while other will take a major hit.

                  AI will not disapear (like the web during the .com bubble) did not disapear.

                  but only actually usefull feature will remain (not many).

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                  @lexinova @marco @nixCraft Are these actually useful features in the room with us now?

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                  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                    Over the past few weeks, several US banks have pulled off from lending to Oracle for expanding its AI data centres, as per a report. So Oracle is now firing 30000 engineers as banks pull out from financing AI data centres and OpenAI deals to meet fools dream. Wise investors are pulling out of data centres now as they found out it's impossible to reach AGI & exponential AI growth through increasing the scale of compute. LLMs have already hit their developmental plateau https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/oracle-layoffs-tech-giant-to-slash-30-000-jobs-as-banks-pull-out-from-financing-ai-data-centres-11769996619410.html

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                    @nixCraft the only good AI that will stick around will be Gemini the rest will crumble.

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                    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                      Over the past few weeks, several US banks have pulled off from lending to Oracle for expanding its AI data centres, as per a report. So Oracle is now firing 30000 engineers as banks pull out from financing AI data centres and OpenAI deals to meet fools dream. Wise investors are pulling out of data centres now as they found out it's impossible to reach AGI & exponential AI growth through increasing the scale of compute. LLMs have already hit their developmental plateau https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/oracle-layoffs-tech-giant-to-slash-30-000-jobs-as-banks-pull-out-from-financing-ai-data-centres-11769996619410.html

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                      @nixCraft

                      Oracle firing 30,000 employees because banks refuse to finance its AI expansion?

                      LOL. Like any large corporation, it will take any step that allows it to avoid admitting that its own management makes supremely bad decisions.

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                      • lexinova@cyberplace.socialL lexinova@cyberplace.social

                        @marco @nixCraft will not be a burst, but more a market correction.

                        meaning 80 - 90 % of AI startup and company will go bankrupt, while other will take a major hit.

                        AI will not disapear (like the web during the .com bubble) did not disapear.

                        but only actually usefull feature will remain (not many).

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                        @lexinova interesting, What's the difference between the metaphor of a bubble bursting Vs a dramatic market correction?

                        @marco @nixCraft

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                        • tkissing@mastodon.socialT tkissing@mastodon.social

                          @lexinova @marco @nixCraft Are these actually useful features in the room with us now?

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                          @tkissing @lexinova @marco @nixCraft Kyllä ovat

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                          • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                            You know how a gambler who loses it all starts begging his family for cash or putting their house up for a loan? We all know that story usually has a "happy" ending. Right?

                            Well, SoftBank is basically doing the same thing. They are talking to banks to get a massive $40 billion loan just to buy a stake in OpenAI. It is their biggest loan ever. I’m sure betting the house on a single hand will work out perfectly this time. https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/softbank-seeks-record-40-billion-loan-financing-banks-fund-openai-stake-invest-masayoshi-son-ai-bubble-concern-liquidity-11772773618772.html

                            These AI people are running out of money

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                            @nixCraft

                            Given the money is going around and around between different AI companies (or not, it's sometimes just promises to do so) then I'm sure someone will lend SoftBank the money.

                            Maybe Nvidia? 😕🤷‍♂️

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                            • justincrozer@mastodon.greenJ justincrozer@mastodon.green

                              @nixCraft the only good AI that will stick around will be Gemini the rest will crumble.

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                              @justincrozer @nixCraft

                              only good one is a dead one

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                              • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                Over the past few weeks, several US banks have pulled off from lending to Oracle for expanding its AI data centres, as per a report. So Oracle is now firing 30000 engineers as banks pull out from financing AI data centres and OpenAI deals to meet fools dream. Wise investors are pulling out of data centres now as they found out it's impossible to reach AGI & exponential AI growth through increasing the scale of compute. LLMs have already hit their developmental plateau https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/oracle-layoffs-tech-giant-to-slash-30-000-jobs-as-banks-pull-out-from-financing-ai-data-centres-11769996619410.html

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                                @nixCraft the author's name is "Swastika Das Sharma"

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                                • huntingdon@mstdn.socialH huntingdon@mstdn.social

                                  @nixCraft

                                  Oracle firing 30,000 employees because banks refuse to finance its AI expansion?

                                  LOL. Like any large corporation, it will take any step that allows it to avoid admitting that its own management makes supremely bad decisions.

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                                  @nixCraft @huntingdon

                                  Ellison is buing media companies now.
                                  The 30K employees who build his software empire are just meat.

                                  #oracle

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                                  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                    Over the past few weeks, several US banks have pulled off from lending to Oracle for expanding its AI data centres, as per a report. So Oracle is now firing 30000 engineers as banks pull out from financing AI data centres and OpenAI deals to meet fools dream. Wise investors are pulling out of data centres now as they found out it's impossible to reach AGI & exponential AI growth through increasing the scale of compute. LLMs have already hit their developmental plateau https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/oracle-layoffs-tech-giant-to-slash-30-000-jobs-as-banks-pull-out-from-financing-ai-data-centres-11769996619410.html

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                                    @nixCraft

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                                    • drwho@masto.hackers.townD drwho@masto.hackers.town

                                      @marco @nixCraft We're fungible assets on the balance sheet. We don't matter.

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                                      @drwho
                                      @marco @nixCraft
                                      To be fung is to know woe.

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                                      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                        Over the past few weeks, several US banks have pulled off from lending to Oracle for expanding its AI data centres, as per a report. So Oracle is now firing 30000 engineers as banks pull out from financing AI data centres and OpenAI deals to meet fools dream. Wise investors are pulling out of data centres now as they found out it's impossible to reach AGI & exponential AI growth through increasing the scale of compute. LLMs have already hit their developmental plateau https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/oracle-layoffs-tech-giant-to-slash-30-000-jobs-as-banks-pull-out-from-financing-ai-data-centres-11769996619410.html

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                                        @nixCraft Is the madness finally comming to an end? How I’ve been longing to this day.

                                        I hope those 30k engineers can now find something with meaning and purpose to put their cognition and skill into. Preferably something related to saving the planet from impending doom. That, or cool video games.

                                        Also, should we be warning the genetics and/or robotics folk that tech bros are coming for them next?

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                                        • sarajw@front-end.socialS sarajw@front-end.social

                                          @lexinova interesting, What's the difference between the metaphor of a bubble bursting Vs a dramatic market correction?

                                          @marco @nixCraft

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                                          @sarajw @lexinova @marco @nixCraft Collateral damage? The main difference between this bubble and the 90s tech bubble and the 2000s housing bubble is the concentration--vast amounts of capital expenditure by relatively small number of players. Valuations completely disconnected from reality. But it is unlikely the unwinding of that trade is going to be 'contained'--it wasn't in 2001, or 2008, it's going to blow a big hole in the financial system.

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