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  • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

    I love talks that, as a 25 year Python veteran, have the ability make me say to myself “wait, does that even work” with less than 10 lines of code

    mikeymikey@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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    @glyph wait what even is this slide 👀

    *fires up interpreter*

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    • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

      TIL about this all-time banger https://lookitup.baby #NBPy

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      #32

      Now Alla Barbalat is talking about using Python to evaluate game balance in the context of a board game.

      For me personally this is such a fun and refreshing look at a structured approach to the *basics* of game design. A million years ago when I worked in the game industry, so much of what designers were talking about (i.e., at GDC, but also elsewhere) were esoteric, lost-in-the-weeds explanations of very specific problems. This feels very much like the missing piece of that puzzle! #NBPy

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      • mikeymikey@hachyderm.ioM mikeymikey@hachyderm.io

        @glyph wait what even is this slide 👀

        *fires up interpreter*

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        #33

        @mikeymikey hopefully engendering some FOMO for next year

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        • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

          Now I'm learning about the lesson that users have learned from yes/no "consent" modals is that they just always have to say "yes" or the computer will deny them critical access to functionality that they need in order to perform their desired task, complete assigned work from an employer or school, or even get life-critical medication. I'm not feeling like a feature whose perceived function is 'you have to say yes; now that you said yes it's your fault' should be referred to as 'consent' #NBPy

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          #34

          @glyph that does sound like a two-step of coercion and gaslighting being relabeled as 'consent'

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          • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

            I love talks that, as a 25 year Python veteran, have the ability make me say to myself “wait, does that even work” with less than 10 lines of code

            rmi@cloudisland.nzR This user is from outside of this forum
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            #35

            @glyph python is a subset of words, and as we know, words are hard.

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            • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

              Now I'm learning about the lesson that users have learned from yes/no "consent" modals is that they just always have to say "yes" or the computer will deny them critical access to functionality that they need in order to perform their desired task, complete assigned work from an employer or school, or even get life-critical medication. I'm not feeling like a feature whose perceived function is 'you have to say yes; now that you said yes it's your fault' should be referred to as 'consent' #NBPy

              nilajones@zeroes.caN This user is from outside of this forum
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              #36

              @glyph

              Absolutely

              This is also used in healthcare

              And now, in the use of AI transcripts for healthcare

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              • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                Now I'm learning about the lesson that users have learned from yes/no "consent" modals is that they just always have to say "yes" or the computer will deny them critical access to functionality that they need in order to perform their desired task, complete assigned work from an employer or school, or even get life-critical medication. I'm not feeling like a feature whose perceived function is 'you have to say yes; now that you said yes it's your fault' should be referred to as 'consent' #NBPy

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                #37

                @glyph This kind of "consent" structure is unfortunately nothing new - I felt a bit like this recently signing on an apartment rental, and we all know the reputation record labels made for themselves pretty much from the start of them existing at all.

                Where tech really steps in to make things worse is that:

                1. Almost all tech that people directly interact with, acts like this.*
                2. A lot more of our lives involve tech now.

                It's not that different from the push to financialize everything. There are rich people who want every aspect of human existence to happen in spaces that contribute to their own wealth and power.

                * Tech that is, not coincidentally, almost all proprietary on the outer edge.

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                • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                  Now Alla Barbalat is talking about using Python to evaluate game balance in the context of a board game.

                  For me personally this is such a fun and refreshing look at a structured approach to the *basics* of game design. A million years ago when I worked in the game industry, so much of what designers were talking about (i.e., at GDC, but also elsewhere) were esoteric, lost-in-the-weeds explanations of very specific problems. This feels very much like the missing piece of that puzzle! #NBPy

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                  #38

                  A whirlwind tour through an autobiographical talk from @bobmonsour which has included the detail that I believe he said he programmed a device with 112 bytes of application memory (?!), a skill that I am guessing will be useful in the modern day given current RAM prices #NBPy

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                  • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                    A whirlwind tour through an autobiographical talk from @bobmonsour which has included the detail that I believe he said he programmed a device with 112 bytes of application memory (?!), a skill that I am guessing will be useful in the modern day given current RAM prices #NBPy

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                    #39

                    @glyph @bobmonsour ooooof

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                    • skimbrel@tech.lgbtS skimbrel@tech.lgbt

                      @glyph @bobmonsour ooooof

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                      #40

                      @skimbrel @bobmonsour "why are you booing me, I'm right"

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                      • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                        A whirlwind tour through an autobiographical talk from @bobmonsour which has included the detail that I believe he said he programmed a device with 112 bytes of application memory (?!), a skill that I am guessing will be useful in the modern day given current RAM prices #NBPy

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                        #41

                        If you're enjoying my somewhat disjointed attempt at liveblogging North Bay Python here, I'm mostly doing this to try to keep my famously discursive attention focused.

                        If you want a *good* liveblog, I have no idea how @MaggieFero manages it but their posts are the gold standard

                        #NBPy

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                        • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                          If you're enjoying my somewhat disjointed attempt at liveblogging North Bay Python here, I'm mostly doing this to try to keep my famously discursive attention focused.

                          If you want a *good* liveblog, I have no idea how @MaggieFero manages it but their posts are the gold standard

                          #NBPy

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                          @glyph Thank you! I also do it to keep my attention focused and to make sure I'm understanding what's going on (because if I get it wrong somebody usually replies!)

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                          • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                            If you're enjoying my somewhat disjointed attempt at liveblogging North Bay Python here, I'm mostly doing this to try to keep my famously discursive attention focused.

                            If you want a *good* liveblog, I have no idea how @MaggieFero manages it but their posts are the gold standard

                            #NBPy

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                            #43

                            Now listening to Freya Bhushan Mehta asking the age-old question: what code should be in Python, what should be in C++ (or your compiled language of choice)? #NBPy

                            miss_rodent@girlcock.clubM glyph@mastodon.socialG f800gecko@mastodon.onlineF 3 Replies Last reply
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                            • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                              Now I'm learning about the lesson that users have learned from yes/no "consent" modals is that they just always have to say "yes" or the computer will deny them critical access to functionality that they need in order to perform their desired task, complete assigned work from an employer or school, or even get life-critical medication. I'm not feeling like a feature whose perceived function is 'you have to say yes; now that you said yes it's your fault' should be referred to as 'consent' #NBPy

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                              @glyph Because it's coercion, and coercion by definition is the antithesis of consent.

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                              • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                                Now listening to Freya Bhushan Mehta asking the age-old question: what code should be in Python, what should be in C++ (or your compiled language of choice)? #NBPy

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                                @glyph I'm curious what the conclusion of that ends up being.

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                                • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                                  Now listening to Freya Bhushan Mehta asking the age-old question: what code should be in Python, what should be in C++ (or your compiled language of choice)? #NBPy

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                                  It's been a while since I had to ask this question too seriously, so it's interesting to see the where the ecosystem has transitioned to. Lots of new libraries (I've never used PyBind11) but also venerable ones (Boost.Python, cffi). Interesting to hear that parameter conversions are still a significant overhead. Cross the boundaries infrequently, with large values, to avoid the translation overhead explosion, which is ancient wisdom: https://blog.glyph.im/2022/12/potato-programming.html

                                  #NBPy

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                                  • miss_rodent@girlcock.clubM miss_rodent@girlcock.club

                                    @glyph I'm curious what the conclusion of that ends up being.

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                                    @miss_rodent I somewhat famously have Weird Ideas of my own about this general topic

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                                    • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                                      @miss_rodent I somewhat famously have Weird Ideas of my own about this general topic

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                                      @glyph ... fair, though I don't know your take on it either (somewhere in the blog archives? Not sure where to dig up your weird ideas on it.)

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                                      • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                                        It's been a while since I had to ask this question too seriously, so it's interesting to see the where the ecosystem has transitioned to. Lots of new libraries (I've never used PyBind11) but also venerable ones (Boost.Python, cffi). Interesting to hear that parameter conversions are still a significant overhead. Cross the boundaries infrequently, with large values, to avoid the translation overhead explosion, which is ancient wisdom: https://blog.glyph.im/2022/12/potato-programming.html

                                        #NBPy

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                                        #49

                                        I am learning that all things english are uncool as @danlyke explains square dancing by way of group theory. I do love the Python community.

                                        #NBPy

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                                        • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                                          Extremely valuable reminder about "simply" and "just": this language (along with its pals; "basically" "obviously", "of course") isn't merely stylistic noise; it sends a specific message:

                                          "This should be easy"

                                          or, in other words:

                                          "If this isn't easy, it's your fault"

                                          This is implicitly an attack on the reader.

                                          #NBPy

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                                          @glyph Them’s fightin’ words

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