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  4. Today we're sharing the first in a series of three posts from our leadership team, starting with @mellifluousbox discussing our mission, and priorities for 2026.

Today we're sharing the first in a series of three posts from our leadership team, starting with @mellifluousbox discussing our mission, and priorities for 2026.

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  • nitrml@tyrol.socialN nitrml@tyrol.social

    @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

    1. Mastodon's code already includes a setting which server admins can enable to set a minimum age for their server, which will ask for a date of birth to be entered during sign-up. The date of birth is not stored, only checked once. This has been part of Mastodon's code since multiple months now: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/34150

    2. What they say in the blog is that they will audit the GmbH's own servers, which probably includes an audit of this feature.

    3. The interesting stuff is what that "working group" will come up with.

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    @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

    thank you

    you educated me

    {hat tip}

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    • nitrml@tyrol.socialN nitrml@tyrol.social

      @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

      1. Mastodon's code already includes a setting which server admins can enable to set a minimum age for their server, which will ask for a date of birth to be entered during sign-up. The date of birth is not stored, only checked once. This has been part of Mastodon's code since multiple months now: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/34150

      2. What they say in the blog is that they will audit the GmbH's own servers, which probably includes an audit of this feature.

      3. The interesting stuff is what that "working group" will come up with.

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      @nitrml @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Age verification won't, of course, stop someone from setting up their own server.

      ... which, at least regarding the federation choices this little node will be making... Is enough of its own age-gating process that we will welcome all nodes regardless of age of their admins. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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      • mark@mastodon.fixermark.comM mark@mastodon.fixermark.com

        @nitrml @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Age verification won't, of course, stop someone from setting up their own server.

        ... which, at least regarding the federation choices this little node will be making... Is enough of its own age-gating process that we will welcome all nodes regardless of age of their admins. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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        @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

        which is great of you, thank you

        ...and your stance is dependent upon the legalities of your jurisdiction

        so people who do enable the age verification are not assholes, they just don't want their govt coming after them

        and your own govt may change its mind, then you have to think about it

        the problem is govt

        not mastodon admins

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

          which is great of you, thank you

          ...and your stance is dependent upon the legalities of your jurisdiction

          so people who do enable the age verification are not assholes, they just don't want their govt coming after them

          and your own govt may change its mind, then you have to think about it

          the problem is govt

          not mastodon admins

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          @benroyce @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic All of this is very good insight.

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            @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

            which is all fine and good, because you're talking tactics not emotional grand standing

            what you won't do therefore is attack some admin of a server of thousands or more for doing what they *have* to do so the govt doesn't knock on their door

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              @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

              what do you think about my post above asking for a credit card?

              it achieves the same effect, and no one is getting a credit card without id. no server is getting your id and the security hassle with that, and you're not revealing your id anymore than it already has been

              the big benefit: with your cc already attached to your profile, donating to your server becomes a breeze. and more people should be doing that

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                @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                i yearly enjoy the services that sometimes say happy birthday to me...

                on the fake birthday i've been entering since forever

                ๐Ÿคญ

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                  @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                  again that's all fine and good

                  but if you're asking a server to shut down with thousands of accounts when people can just enter a fake birthday it's far too dramatic

                  effective resistance is not about purity

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                    @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                    you mean tor and VPN providers that spy on the people who use it because anyone using that it is flagging their activity as sensitive?

                    tor was started at the us naval research laboratory for dissidents in countries unfriendly to the usa

                    you think they don't have enough exit nodes to see what is going on?

                    and mastodon needs support

                    i'd almost (i said almost) support the idea of mandatory ccs on sign up with or without id laws

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                      @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                      great

                      would you characterize yourself as the average mastodon user? or more broadly, the average social media user?

                      most people want to sign onto a server, browse, and post

                      that's it

                      you can't go after them for that, people don't have the bandwidth or time for the hassles

                      and we can't become a tiny whisper of a cryptic fringe to adhere to some unnecessary purity test

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                        @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                        .onion doesn't use exit nodes but it uses rendezvous nodes

                        and nobody wants to kill tor, the intelligence services love it

                        the foolishness is people who think something built by the us govt is perfectly anonymous

                        it *is* anonymous. to most every other entity

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                          @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                          zero argument

                          and if you make the services you talk about user friendly enough that the average social media user can point and click and zero hassle, even better

                          until then, some servers are stuck in unfriendly districts

                          and that's not their fault

                          the govt is at fault

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                            @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                            understood

                            but we're now very far away from your average normie who just wants to see cat pictures

                            and that's where this topic truly lies

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                              @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                              100%

                              and that's why we can't do purity tests on resistance

                              purity tests destroy effective resistance

                              effective resistance that isn't pure is not a betrayal

                              we resist how we can, in the ways we can

                              this isn't an argument against your words, i'm just harking back to the argument up higher

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                              • ariarhythmic@ohai.socialA ariarhythmic@ohai.social

                                @benroyce @starlily Have you ever heard of the idea of disobedience?

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                                @ariarhythmic @benroyce @starlily Great, fascism will make good Mastodon instances have the same status as BitTorrent trackers and pirate streaming websites!

                                Well, the tracker I used to contribute for is still up even today, thus we may think disobedience is fine, they will not go for small instances. On the other hand, it's a false correlation: one thing is Crunchyroll, Netflix and other companies choosing not to go against small groups because they may die out of just from not getting enough donations, other thing is fascist governments. They are already going against individuals, people fear ICE, as an example.

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                                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                  @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                  i yearly enjoy the services that sometimes say happy birthday to me...

                                  on the fake birthday i've been entering since forever

                                  ๐Ÿคญ

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                                  @benroyce @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic LOL, yes. I am so used to fake birthdays that I have to make an extra effort to enter the correct one if needed.

                                  I oopsied my birthday for an online plane ticket booking after 9/11. No issue. Got to fly as booked.

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                                    @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                    well yeah

                                    and new gang recruits are asked to shoot someone in the head as they watch for much the same reason

                                    neither of which tell us much about the topic here

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                                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                      @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

                                      the problem isn't mastodon it's your govt

                                      if mastodon servers don't implement age verification in those jurisdictions that make it law, those servers get shut down by that govt

                                      so you're blaming the wrong entity

                                      are you really asking servers to face legal punishment and then get shut down anyway?

                                      don't get me wrong: be angry

                                      *at your govt*

                                      not mastodon

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                                      @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox No, they cannot get shut down by a government they're not operating under. If there's a threat, move legal operations & hosting out of the jurisdiction and obfuscate physical location of servers behind VPNs. Don't fucking comply.

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                                      • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                                        @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox No, they cannot get shut down by a government they're not operating under. If there's a threat, move legal operations & hosting out of the jurisdiction and obfuscate physical location of servers behind VPNs. Don't fucking comply.

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                                        @dalias @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

                                        that's not really true

                                        for many countries you have to follow the laws of *both* your home country and the country where your server resides

                                        of course that's not true for all countries

                                        but if let's say you're a citizen of the germany and your server is hosted in another country, germany just goes after you, it doesn't care

                                        "obfuscate physical location of servers behind VPNs"

                                        no. that's no protection

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          @dalias @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

                                          that's not really true

                                          for many countries you have to follow the laws of *both* your home country and the country where your server resides

                                          of course that's not true for all countries

                                          but if let's say you're a citizen of the germany and your server is hosted in another country, germany just goes after you, it doesn't care

                                          "obfuscate physical location of servers behind VPNs"

                                          no. that's no protection

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                                          @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox None of that contradicts what I said. You don't run it as a citizen or resident of the hostile jurisdiction. You pass ownership to an entity in a safe location, and you put the fronting IP in a safe location. Physical servers can be somewhere else, but shouldn't be somewhere under the hostile jurisdiction unless you're confident there's no trail to them.

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