Framework listens to their audience so much that they send another pre-release laptop to DHH.

[komali_2@mastodon.social]

@Sobex @thibaultmol @soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera

A 3 tril dollar company giving a gold trophy to a fascist feels a lot more like an endorsement of fascism than Framework sending laptops to all major WMs/Distros for compat, which includes a project led by a racist POS.

Again I wish they hadn't done it, but I also am just worried about the proximity-based moral reasoning and our tendency to over-punish actors trying to do good while lettings bad actors get away with way worse.

[komali_2@mastodon.social]

@soapdog @rakoo @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera

I pretty much agree. In terms of DHH, we do in some sense however tolerate Nazis, on a day to day basis, since his views are UKIP ones. I usually get confused here - ok, so, are we tolerating the nazis, or not? There are nazis in most countries, in the Israeli embassy. Do we... treat them like it was 1940? Because that means firebombing. What does it mean to "not let nazis fester and grow?" Just, ban them from conferences?

[komali_2@mastodon.social]

@soapdog @rakoo @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera

The consequence - treating any association as moral contagion, cancelling, social ostracization, boycotting - seems insufficient given the label: Nazi.

I was raised in the punk scene: you see a swastika, you start swinging. When I see them sprayed on a wall, I immediately drop everything I'm doing to cover it.

How we treat DHH doesn't match that label, and how we criticize Framework doesn't match what I'd expect for a true Nazi supporter.

[komali_2@mastodon.social]

@Sobex @reflex @Foxboron @soapdog @smilingdemon @alatiera This list is kept up to date https://frame.work/tw/en/blog/framework-sponsorships

They bought a booth and advertising at Rails World for 24k euro as mentioned, same as prior year. None of that money actually goes to DHH, he's not compensated as chair so far as I know.

For comparison, 30k at Hackaday Supercon, 20k at Open Source Summit.

They only give actual donations to e.g. nixOS and Debian, not conferences. Conferences are them getting ads.

[soapdog@toot.cafe]

@komali_2 @rakoo @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera

you seem to be conflating things. It doesn't matter if DHH views are UKIP ones, they are both nazis and should go into the bin.

You keep raising examples from elsewhere as in "this is also fucked", we know, this doesn't detract from the fact he is a known nazi and we should stop platforming him. The fact there are other nazis in the world is well known. We do one at a time.

[sobex@social.sciences.re]

@komali_2 @reflex @Foxboron @soapdog @smilingdemon @alatiera So rail worlds and Hyprland still supported, plus laptop sent to DHH (is he the only dev of omarchy ?).

[komali_2@mastodon.social]

@soapdog @rakoo @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera

Ok, I appreciate your convo on this with me. I'm trying to understand people better, hella autistic over here.

[komali_2@mastodon.social]

@Sobex @reflex @Foxboron @soapdog @smilingdemon @alatiera

He's the only dev of any consequence, yes. I really wish the Omarchy project would die, it's pretty much trash. What I do want to study is why it's able to explode in popularity - what, cause it ships with a pretty hyprland theme? There's a manjaro version that ships with hyprland, never got the content creator run. I don't get it.

[claudius@darmstadt.social]

@alatiera fuck. @frameworkcomputer care to comment? Is DHH really someone you wish to be associated with?

[alatiera@mastodon.social]

Their promo post for the laptop was "We heard you".

I wish I had seen this sooner, you can't make this up. The jokes write themselves.

Framework :fedora: :ubuntu: (@frameworkcomputer@fosstodon.org)

We heard you: the new Framework Laptop 13 Pro. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnOpIQJnYWU

Fosstodon (fosstodon.org)

[mcneely@indieweb.social]

@alatiera I wish I could say I was surprised....

[cow@soc.cow.computer]

@alatiera I am very disappointed. I thought they learned their lesson after they stopped glazing the Omarchy "linux distro" on X and returned to mastodon. I honestly feel like something weird is going on at framework, like they usually listen to the community but with this one thing they don't seem to ever really listen. A lot of their employees aren't white, including the CEO yet they still haven't reconsidered. I'm honestly starting to wonder if money is involved in some way as this seems ridiculous. I don't get why otherwise they would think this pile of bash scripts made by a known racist is worth sacrificing their brand image for. I don't see Framework Computer listed as a sponsor on DHH's conference (rails world) yet but I wouldn't be surprised if they return, even after all the backlash.

[expertplus@mementomori.social]

@alatiera genuine question: what's so nazi about it? Why even call it that way?

I don't get it. I'm genuinely infinitely curious.

[thaodan@mastodon.social]

@reflex @smilingdemon @soapdog @alatiera Why not send it to the Arch Linux developers instead? The developers that this Nazi benefits of.

[reflex@retrogaming.social]

@thaodan @smilingdemon @soapdog @alatiera Literally this. If they wanted to support projects, send it to Arch, not Omarchy.

[shakil_tcs@mathstodon.xyz]

@alatiera Seems like someone from DHH's company - may be DHH himself - has written drivers for those intel panther lake.

[rugk@chaos.social]

@alatiera hey @frameworkcomputer to make one misstep may be okay, but why do you continue doing that? It severely hurts your image, business and no it's not "just a big tend".