Framework listens to their audience so much that they send another pre-release laptop to DHH.
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@soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera To be clear I'm not arguing for treating DHH well, merely that it's not feasible to detach from all the bad actors.
I hope they do detach from DHH, but, when they do, because the community holds "good" actors to a higher standard, there will be another controversy to take its place - most likely hyprland will again come under high scrutiny. Or its support of OpenBSD. Something.
@komali_2 @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera
you seem to think that because we can't detach all bad actors that we simply shouldn't call them out or detach from the ones that are easier.
It is easier to deplatform DHH. They can simply not send a laptop.
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@komali_2 @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera I am all in favour of throwing stallman into the bin as well.
You understand that quoting other bad actors, doesn't excuse DHH.
I want them all gone. Did Framework sent Stallman a laptop? I didn't see that. They sent one for DHH and that is what I am complaining about
@soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera Right, "all gone," that's my point, it isn't really possible. That would have to include openbsd, gnome (support for AWS which supports the IDF, an existent fascist threat and genocidal entity), hyprland.
I don't think this strategy leads to creating safer communities, I think it just puts selective pressure against good actors in favor of bad ones.
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@komali_2 @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera
you seem to think that because we can't detach all bad actors that we simply shouldn't call them out or detach from the ones that are easier.
It is easier to deplatform DHH. They can simply not send a laptop.
@soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera
Again, I hope they don't send him another one, but my point is, we would probably still be having this conversation if they hadn't, we'd simply be discussing either hyprland or openbsd.
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@soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera
Again, I hope they don't send him another one, but my point is, we would probably still be having this conversation if they hadn't, we'd simply be discussing either hyprland or openbsd.
@komali_2 @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera
well, can you tell me what about OpenBSD we'd be talking? Not disputing curious because I am not aware of them being fascists..
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@komali_2 @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera
well, can you tell me what about OpenBSD we'd be talking? Not disputing curious because I am not aware of them being fascists..
@soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera first, to prove my point lol: https://tech.lgbt/@GeopJr/116448764001798373
second, openbsd refuses to have a code of conduct for the usual eye-roll reasons
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@soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera first, to prove my point lol: https://tech.lgbt/@GeopJr/116448764001798373
second, openbsd refuses to have a code of conduct for the usual eye-roll reasons
@komali_2 that is shitty. I agree, but those problems are not the same, I hope you understand.
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@komali_2 that is shitty. I agree, but those problems are not the same, I hope you understand.
@soapdog@toot.cafeAs an antifascist, I tend to focus in on it as well.
Another thing I'm thinking is that we're engaging in proximity-based moral reasoning and letting others get away with diffuse complicity. We say, "just don't send a laptop to DHH, and if they do, just don't buy framework," but you'd probably think it's unreasonable to say "just don't use AWS (who hosts the IDF), and if you find someone that does use it, just don't use that service."
Thus, selective pressure against good actors.
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@alatiera argh, how oblivious can these people be? With all the backlash and everything, I hoped they learned something.
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@alatiera argh, how oblivious can these people be? With all the backlash and everything, I hoped they learned something.
@soapdog @alatiera To be absolutely fucking clear, they are not oblivious. They are intentionally signalling the far right community. Omarchy is just a set of configs, no special hardware support required. It's a complete waste of resources to donate anything to DHH. Sending it to the Arch team would indirectly support Omarchy.
This is about making it clear who they support in general.
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@soapdog @alatiera they do send out to other distros, and given Ormachy wasn't on the list they said they had sent pre-relase laptops too. I therefore suspect they had intended for this to go under the radar which is even worse. Not only have they not actually listened, the lesson they seem to have learned is "just don't let people know". It's all so sad and frustrating and oh so easily avoidable by Framework.
@smilingdemon @soapdog @alatiera Omarchy isn't even a distro, it's just some confs. There is zero reason to send them hardware.
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@soapdog @komali_2 @smilingdemon @alatiera
I pointed out how their track record recently has been better, you said no.
@Foxboron @soapdog @komali_2 @smilingdemon @alatiera They gave 24,000€ to DHH's Ruby World. There is not attempt to be better on their part.
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@Foxboron @soapdog @komali_2 @smilingdemon @alatiera They gave 24,000€ to DHH's Ruby World. There is not attempt to be better on their part.
@reflex @Foxboron @soapdog @smilingdemon @alatiera Do you mean railsworld? They got a booth, and it's a conference sponsorship, not a donation - they get advertising in return. They went to other conferences as well, and spent more on them.
DHH gets no income from railsworld.
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@reflex @Foxboron @soapdog @smilingdemon @alatiera Do you mean railsworld? They got a booth, and it's a conference sponsorship, not a donation - they get advertising in return. They went to other conferences as well, and spent more on them.
DHH gets no income from railsworld.
@komali_2 @Foxboron @soapdog @smilingdemon @alatiera Rails World was literally created to undermine the existing Rails conference after they enforced their CoC policy and it excluded DHH. He created this one explicitly to take back control.
Framework supported that effort explicitly, and were one of the largest donors. They are VERY committed to keeping Nazis in control of technology.
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@Foxboron @soapdog @komali_2 @smilingdemon @alatiera They gave 24,000€ to DHH's Ruby World. There is not attempt to be better on their part.
@reflex
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@komali_2 @Foxboron @soapdog @smilingdemon @alatiera Rails World was literally created to undermine the existing Rails conference after they enforced their CoC policy and it excluded DHH. He created this one explicitly to take back control.
Framework supported that effort explicitly, and were one of the largest donors. They are VERY committed to keeping Nazis in control of technology.
@reflex @Foxboron @soapdog @smilingdemon @alatiera Yes, that sucks, and yet now rails world has a CoC and is the only rails conference.
I've not seen anything indicating framework had anything to do with the downfall of railsconf, and while it sucks that DHH seems to latch himself on like a disgusting racist little leech to everything, for rails people, railsworld is all that's left
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@reflex
To my knowledge that was disclosed as part of the original thread? So I don't quite see how it's relevant to my current statement?@Foxboron Cool bro. AS the thread stated their track record is not 'better', they were a top contributor to DHH's goals and continue to work with him.
Better would be publicly announcing an end to the partnership, a review program to ensure they do not back terrible people going forward, and the CEO stepping down.
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@Foxboron Cool bro. AS the thread stated their track record is not 'better', they were a top contributor to DHH's goals and continue to work with him.
Better would be publicly announcing an end to the partnership, a review program to ensure they do not back terrible people going forward, and the CEO stepping down.
Sure, but you are referencing a sponsorship from last year?
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@reflex @Foxboron @soapdog @smilingdemon @alatiera Yes, that sucks, and yet now rails world has a CoC and is the only rails conference.
I've not seen anything indicating framework had anything to do with the downfall of railsconf, and while it sucks that DHH seems to latch himself on like a disgusting racist little leech to everything, for rails people, railsworld is all that's left
@komali_2 @Foxboron @soapdog @smilingdemon @alatiera Rails World does not exclude DHH, thus it's CoC is meaningless and his goals were achieved. With the help of Framework.
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Sure, but you are referencing a sponsorship from last year?
@Foxboron And? I don't see your point. You made an assertion things had improved. What evidence have you provided? All evidence shows no change.
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@Foxboron And? I don't see your point. You made an assertion things had improved. What evidence have you provided? All evidence shows no change.
I've pointed out that they have not disproportionally promoted Omarchy compared to other projects since the forum thread.
From what I've seen there hasn't been an mention at all, and they where left out of all marketing and conference speeches from what I've gathered.I think this is an improvement?
