Framework listens to their audience so much that they send another pre-release laptop to DHH.

[petrikas@mastodon.art]

@alatiera for a "big tent" approqch they seem to be really focused on a specific part of the tent.

[foxboron@chaos.social]

@smilingdemon @soapdog @alatiera

I think this is fine. It would be more egregious if they spent time promoting fashOS instead of any the dozen of serious distros and projects.

[soapdog@toot.cafe]

@Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera they do spend a lot of time promoting omarchy

[foxboron@chaos.social]

@soapdog @smilingdemon @alatiera

They did at least. When was the last time they promoted omarchy?

[soapdog@toot.cafe]

@Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera am not keeping track, can't tell.

[komali_2@mastodon.social]

@soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera So, when you said, "they spend a lot of time promoting omarchy," to what were you referring?

[soapdog@toot.cafe]

@komali_2 @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera check this thread https://community.frame.work/t/a-more-ethical-framework-competitor/76151/18

[noodlejetski@masto.ai]

@tsdgeos @soapdog and they could've easily limited it to the 21 whose lead maintainers don't post about how there's too many non-white people in the UK

[soapdog@toot.cafe]

@komali_2 @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera they were called out for plataforming DHH, then they replied badly. That thread had more info. Is their track record better recently? I am not sure, considering they did send a device to DHH I think they simply don't care that DHH is posting that trans people are not people or that London should be more white.

[foxboron@chaos.social]

@soapdog @komali_2 @smilingdemon @alatiera

I pointed out how their track record recently has been better, you said no.

[soapdog@toot.cafe]

@komali_2 @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera some more crumbs if you wanna see https://lobste.rs/c/rate50

[soapdog@toot.cafe]

@Foxboron @komali_2 @smilingdemon @alatiera sorry, you misunderstood me,I didn't deny they being better, I said I am not keeping track.

I do believe that sending DHH a device is not them doing better though.

[komali_2@mastodon.social]

@soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera Right that's what I mean, that's just the original forum post which mentions a blog post that mentioned omarchy from 2025, I was wondering if there was some new stuff I hadn't seen. I'm all in that forum post, I'm "caleb_rogers" in there

[soapdog@toot.cafe]

@komali_2 @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera

I replied further in the thread that I don't think that sending DHH a device now is them doing better.

[komali_2@mastodon.social]

@soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera I see, yes I agree, I wish they hadn't, however I understand the structural necessity of capitalist participation leading to them trying to take advantage of omarchy's popularity to push laptop sales.

[komali_2@mastodon.social]

@soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera Nirav, the CEO, has explicitly said he supports immigrants and LGBTQ rights, on twitter. Won't link that awful site but a quick search should turn it up.

So imo I wonder to what degree our expectations for framework change since it's a socially conscious company, vs a known-systemic-evil like dell.

[tsdgeos@fosstodon.org]

@noodlejetski @soapdog sure they could, I am just clarifying they are not only supporting that particular project as the parent poster mentioned.

[soapdog@toot.cafe]

@komali_2 @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera

that is normalising and accepting someone with a large platform that is spewing racist and facist speech. If capitalism trumps their morals, then their morals is shit.

[soapdog@toot.cafe]

@komali_2 @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera well, saying they support queer people while sending a laptop to a transphobic hater is a bit of double speech. I'd be happier if I could see them sending laptops to queer engineers as well.

[soapdog@toot.cafe]

@tsdgeos @noodlejetski which I agree with you that is better than supporting only that project, but still, I'd rather they didn't platform a fascist.