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When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms.

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  • bontchev@infosec.exchangeB bontchev@infosec.exchange

    @aral Your screenshot is from mobile, mine is from desktop. That's why I supposed that the two may be offering different kinds of access.

    aral@mastodon.ar.alA This user is from outside of this forum
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    @bontchev Yep. And it’s possible they have heuristics for when they show the doorslam and when they don’t.

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    • amorpheus@kind.socialA amorpheus@kind.social

      @elettrona @aral @_elena @vicfroh I feel you. Watching my mom struggle with things I take for granted has often made me really sad, just as watching people suffer and die around the globe for economic reasons.

      Money has become the true dictator of humanity. Due to that, I developed the conviction that existential resources should be free for everyone.

      Compensation should be done by those few that were able to unfold their potential because of that.

      But maybe I'm just a fool to believe that.

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      @elettrona @aral @_elena @vicfroh When we evolved in this world, nobody charged us for water. It was there. When we plant a tree, we provide it with water if necessary. We do not demand the fruit or wood upfront. We wait, we watch it develop. It grows and after enough time, it blossoms. We recognize the value of unconditional cooperation. Then, we plant more trees. Everybody wins.

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      • amorpheus@kind.socialA amorpheus@kind.social

        @elettrona @aral @_elena @vicfroh I feel you. Watching my mom struggle with things I take for granted has often made me really sad, just as watching people suffer and die around the globe for economic reasons.

        Money has become the true dictator of humanity. Due to that, I developed the conviction that existential resources should be free for everyone.

        Compensation should be done by those few that were able to unfold their potential because of that.

        But maybe I'm just a fool to believe that.

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        @Amorpheus @aral @_elena @vicfroh I can use the Fediverse because there's accessibility on proprietary software. Otherwise I'd be screwed; this doesn't mean that I'm not always looking at new and different alternatives to services. But on hardware and software, the vulnerability is too heavy.

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        • elettrona@poliversity.itE elettrona@poliversity.it

          @Amorpheus @aral @_elena @vicfroh I can use the Fediverse because there's accessibility on proprietary software. Otherwise I'd be screwed; this doesn't mean that I'm not always looking at new and different alternatives to services. But on hardware and software, the vulnerability is too heavy.

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          @elettrona @aral @_elena @vicfroh I know. All I am saying is that I can sense a different reality, even if that is not the one we are currently experiencing and grown acustomed to.

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          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

            @aral thank you Aral! 💖

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            @_elena 💕

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            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

              @aral I'm actually writing a blog post arguing that public institutions should start seeing the Fediverse as the ideal publishing platform for sharing communications with their constituents.

              May I quote your post, this is super relevant?

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              @_elena @aral 👍👍👍 See also: https://mastodon.nl/@bartknubben/116141780059397071

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              • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms. @vicfroh https://mastodon.social/@vicfroh/116172585169719449

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                @aral For Twitter at least, you change "x.com" to the domain of a Nitter instance, like "xcancel.com".

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                • amorpheus@kind.socialA amorpheus@kind.social

                  @elettrona @aral @_elena @vicfroh Simple concept of enshittification. You want information? Well, then you have to give us information about you or your service in exchange.

                  I can live without using corporate platforms.

                  What I find much more disturbing is the paywall of public newspapers. You get a short (sometimes misleading) abstract of a system relevant article, but you have to pay (or at least disable your ad blocker) to get the full information you require to build a reliable opinion.

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                  @Amorpheus @elettrona @aral @_elena @vicfroh archive.is

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                  • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                    When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms. @vicfroh https://mastodon.social/@vicfroh/116172585169719449

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                    @aral Jesus. People still use those?

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                    • gustodon@mas.toG gustodon@mas.to

                      @aral Jesus. People still use those?

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                      @Gustodon @aral
                      Honestly, some government organizations only distribute public safety information via Twitter. Behind a wall demanding an account. It’s ridiculous and dangerous. And I’ve been tempted to go back to FB just for marketplace. I’ve been gone from FB since 2019. Instagram was always trash for me.

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                      • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                        When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms. @vicfroh https://mastodon.social/@vicfroh/116172585169719449

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                        @aral people can use xcancel to get around that from x... but why? Using it still drives traffic to the site, and in fact inflates their numbers since xcancel needs continuously made new accounts to act as the proxies. Just wean yourself off these sites IMO.

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                        • joblakely@mastodon.socialJ joblakely@mastodon.social

                          @Gustodon @aral
                          Honestly, some government organizations only distribute public safety information via Twitter. Behind a wall demanding an account. It’s ridiculous and dangerous. And I’ve been tempted to go back to FB just for marketplace. I’ve been gone from FB since 2019. Instagram was always trash for me.

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                          @JoBlakely I'm sorry but I don't buy that. If no one used it, no one would post there.

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                          • gustodon@mas.toG gustodon@mas.to

                            @JoBlakely I'm sorry but I don't buy that. If no one used it, no one would post there.

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                            @Gustodon
                            If government and public services didn’t post there & had their own city instance for public services on mastodon, that would allow everyone to access information in chronological order in their feed and people would start to sign up here with confidence. But people go where news & information is to stay informed.

                            They need to be the ones leaving, or setting up an automated but monitored account at minimum here.

                            It’s the groups, communities etc. it’s critical to many ppl on FB.

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                            • joblakely@mastodon.socialJ joblakely@mastodon.social

                              @Gustodon
                              If government and public services didn’t post there & had their own city instance for public services on mastodon, that would allow everyone to access information in chronological order in their feed and people would start to sign up here with confidence. But people go where news & information is to stay informed.

                              They need to be the ones leaving, or setting up an automated but monitored account at minimum here.

                              It’s the groups, communities etc. it’s critical to many ppl on FB.

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                              @JoBlakely I know what you're talking about, but I'm forced to disagree. At this stage, I personally feel that whatever Meta provides is gained at too high a cost. People survived before the Internet, and certainly before Facebook. If those people refuse to make a moral choice, that's on them.

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                              • gustodon@mas.toG gustodon@mas.to

                                @JoBlakely I know what you're talking about, but I'm forced to disagree. At this stage, I personally feel that whatever Meta provides is gained at too high a cost. People survived before the Internet, and certainly before Facebook. If those people refuse to make a moral choice, that's on them.

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                                @Gustodon most of them are old and have their entire business and social group or club information on that platform. If they leave, they have to convince all their members to also leave at the same time. It’s not a moral issue it’s a logistics issue, and lack of a place or capability that will perform the same function as FB groups.

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                                • joblakely@mastodon.socialJ joblakely@mastodon.social

                                  @Gustodon most of them are old and have their entire business and social group or club information on that platform. If they leave, they have to convince all their members to also leave at the same time. It’s not a moral issue it’s a logistics issue, and lack of a place or capability that will perform the same function as FB groups.

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                                  @JoBlakely Doing the right thing is always more difficult. That's what makes it a moral choice. I lost a lot when I gave up Facebook, as I did when I gave up everything else. But, from my point of view, it was more valuable to be ethical than profitable.

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                                  • gustodon@mas.toG gustodon@mas.to

                                    @JoBlakely Doing the right thing is always more difficult. That's what makes it a moral choice. I lost a lot when I gave up Facebook, as I did when I gave up everything else. But, from my point of view, it was more valuable to be ethical than profitable.

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                                    @Gustodon so did I, and I made that choice. Even so, I recognize it’s very difficult for some IRL organizations that have used FB for organizing etc. and have nothing else to go to that gives notifications etc. I wish there was more support out there for people to make that move and feel informed doing it.

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                                    • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                                      When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms. @vicfroh https://mastodon.social/@vicfroh/116172585169719449

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                                      @aral

                                      "But you get better reach there" 🤡

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                                      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                        @aral I'm actually writing a blog post arguing that public institutions should start seeing the Fediverse as the ideal publishing platform for sharing communications with their constituents.

                                        May I quote your post, this is super relevant?

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                                        @_elena
                                        Count me in. I work for local govt and with national govt, so very keen to promote this. Using Fediverse ad hoc for specific projects at moment
                                        @aral

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                                        • jaker@c.imJ jaker@c.im

                                          @_elena
                                          Count me in. I work for local govt and with national govt, so very keen to promote this. Using Fediverse ad hoc for specific projects at moment
                                          @aral

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                                          @jaker thank you 🙏 @aral

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