When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms.
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@elettrona @aral @_elena @vicfroh Simple concept of enshittification. You want information? Well, then you have to give us information about you or your service in exchange.
I can live without using corporate platforms.
What I find much more disturbing is the paywall of public newspapers. You get a short (sometimes misleading) abstract of a system relevant article, but you have to pay (or at least disable your ad blocker) to get the full information you require to build a reliable opinion.
@Amorpheus @elettrona @aral @_elena @vicfroh archive.is
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When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms. @vicfroh https://mastodon.social/@vicfroh/116172585169719449
@aral Jesus. People still use those?
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@aral Jesus. People still use those?
@Gustodon @aral
Honestly, some government organizations only distribute public safety information via Twitter. Behind a wall demanding an account. It’s ridiculous and dangerous. And I’ve been tempted to go back to FB just for marketplace. I’ve been gone from FB since 2019. Instagram was always trash for me. -
When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms. @vicfroh https://mastodon.social/@vicfroh/116172585169719449
@aral people can use xcancel to get around that from x... but why? Using it still drives traffic to the site, and in fact inflates their numbers since xcancel needs continuously made new accounts to act as the proxies. Just wean yourself off these sites IMO.
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Honestly, some government organizations only distribute public safety information via Twitter. Behind a wall demanding an account. It’s ridiculous and dangerous. And I’ve been tempted to go back to FB just for marketplace. I’ve been gone from FB since 2019. Instagram was always trash for me.@JoBlakely I'm sorry but I don't buy that. If no one used it, no one would post there.
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@JoBlakely I'm sorry but I don't buy that. If no one used it, no one would post there.
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If government and public services didn’t post there & had their own city instance for public services on mastodon, that would allow everyone to access information in chronological order in their feed and people would start to sign up here with confidence. But people go where news & information is to stay informed.They need to be the ones leaving, or setting up an automated but monitored account at minimum here.
It’s the groups, communities etc. it’s critical to many ppl on FB.
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If government and public services didn’t post there & had their own city instance for public services on mastodon, that would allow everyone to access information in chronological order in their feed and people would start to sign up here with confidence. But people go where news & information is to stay informed.They need to be the ones leaving, or setting up an automated but monitored account at minimum here.
It’s the groups, communities etc. it’s critical to many ppl on FB.
@JoBlakely I know what you're talking about, but I'm forced to disagree. At this stage, I personally feel that whatever Meta provides is gained at too high a cost. People survived before the Internet, and certainly before Facebook. If those people refuse to make a moral choice, that's on them.
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@JoBlakely I know what you're talking about, but I'm forced to disagree. At this stage, I personally feel that whatever Meta provides is gained at too high a cost. People survived before the Internet, and certainly before Facebook. If those people refuse to make a moral choice, that's on them.
@Gustodon most of them are old and have their entire business and social group or club information on that platform. If they leave, they have to convince all their members to also leave at the same time. It’s not a moral issue it’s a logistics issue, and lack of a place or capability that will perform the same function as FB groups.
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@Gustodon most of them are old and have their entire business and social group or club information on that platform. If they leave, they have to convince all their members to also leave at the same time. It’s not a moral issue it’s a logistics issue, and lack of a place or capability that will perform the same function as FB groups.
@JoBlakely Doing the right thing is always more difficult. That's what makes it a moral choice. I lost a lot when I gave up Facebook, as I did when I gave up everything else. But, from my point of view, it was more valuable to be ethical than profitable.
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@JoBlakely Doing the right thing is always more difficult. That's what makes it a moral choice. I lost a lot when I gave up Facebook, as I did when I gave up everything else. But, from my point of view, it was more valuable to be ethical than profitable.
@Gustodon so did I, and I made that choice. Even so, I recognize it’s very difficult for some IRL organizations that have used FB for organizing etc. and have nothing else to go to that gives notifications etc. I wish there was more support out there for people to make that move and feel informed doing it.
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When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms. @vicfroh https://mastodon.social/@vicfroh/116172585169719449
"But you get better reach there"
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@aral I'm actually writing a blog post arguing that public institutions should start seeing the Fediverse as the ideal publishing platform for sharing communications with their constituents.
May I quote your post, this is super relevant?
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When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms. @vicfroh https://mastodon.social/@vicfroh/116172585169719449
@aral@mastodon.ar.al @vicfroh@mastodon.social This! And I'd add another annoying one: YouTube. It's been more than a year that I ditched YouTube, still sometimes I receive YouTube links, even from people here in Fediverse (where we got a platform called Peertube).
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When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms. @vicfroh https://mastodon.social/@vicfroh/116172585169719449
@aral Wenn es sich um öffentliche Beiträge handelt, kann man sie schon sehen, mit etwas Geschick. Manchmal muss man ein Hinweisfenster schließen, welches den Beitrag verdeckt.
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When you post things on Instagram, Facebook, and X, this is what they look like to people who don’t use those platforms. @vicfroh https://mastodon.social/@vicfroh/116172585169719449
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@avradi This is why Zuckerberg is rich, because people won't make the slightest effort. As for your objections, I haven't had that experience. It was easy to start, I can follow any instance, and there are no bots, no made-up posts designed to test my reactions, and no ads. #Facebook groups has a dozen alternatives, but it might require learning something, so no one explores. You have been sold a bill of goods.
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@felwert @aral On Mastodon, you can make a post "only for followers," and we're fine with it. I can imagine that a user can decide on his personal level not to share their post with the open web. That's their choice.
(Though, the funny part is that it's more like a flag, and respecting it depends completely on the app, so if there is more traction for Bluesky, apps going around that might start popping up. Same for blocks.)
@Krazov@mstdn.social @felwert@fedihum.org @aral@mastodon.ar.al It can get a little frustrating if you follow only one person in the thread of replies. You only see one side of the conversation.
