Can we please not with all the ableist language I'm seeing around discussing AI (and anything, really)?
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@Curator
TIL, thank you
I had sometimes used #2 (not towards a person, but to describe something happening), #3, #4, and #7,
but hadn't really given it much thought before that it would be ableist language.
I suppose "crazy" would be considered part of the list, similar to #2? that's one I find myself tripping over sometimes and have tried to avoid. and when I grew up in the UK it'd be quite common to hear "mad" used in a similar way.
"that's crazy/mad"
Thinking about it, I struggle to find a word that I could use in such an example
But I will try! 
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I suppose "crazy" would be considered part of the list, similar to #2? that's one I find myself tripping over sometimes and have tried to avoid. and when I grew up in the UK it'd be quite common to hear "mad" used in a similar way.
"that's crazy/mad"
Thinking about it, I struggle to find a word that I could use in such an example
But I will try! @hejchristian Oh, yeah, crazy and mad are both candidates.
I use 'wild' where I'd previously have used words like that, it kinda conveys the same tone
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@hejchristian Oh, yeah, crazy and mad are both candidates.
I use 'wild' where I'd previously have used words like that, it kinda conveys the same tone
@Curator Wild! yeah that works
I was gonna say "that's nuts" but then... no, I'm fairly sure I've heard that used as a slur.Thanks again!
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@Curator Wild! yeah that works
I was gonna say "that's nuts" but then... no, I'm fairly sure I've heard that used as a slur.Thanks again!
️@hejchristian Heh, yeah, nuts is also a word used to describe people with mental health conditions
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@terribletowelie @Curator @cairobraga @saltywizard
Risky click of the day. That's on me, I shouldn't have clicked.
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@hejchristian Heh, yeah, nuts is also a word used to describe people with mental health conditions
The more I've thought about it the more words I am coming up with!
Deffo having a areWeTheBaddies.gif moment thinking back about how I used such words without thinking.
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The more I've thought about it the more words I am coming up with!
Deffo having a areWeTheBaddies.gif moment thinking back about how I used such words without thinking.
@hejchristian I very much appreciate that you're going 'oh, wow, yeah now I see it' instead of doubling down like a lot of the other replies here
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@cairobraga @saltywizard I've been trying to avoid things that use sex-specific bodyparts, to avoid e.g. implying that penises are bad (calling someone a dickhead) - I stick with things that are more general, like shithead and asshole
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a cartoon showing two spiders. one is laying flat with its legs extended. the other says, 'don't be an asshole, steve." (the flat spider resembles a simple drawing of a butthole).
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a cartoon showing two spiders. one is laying flat with its legs extended. the other says, 'don't be an asshole, steve." (the flat spider resembles a simple drawing of a butthole).
@saltywizard @Curator @cairobraga when you write that does it talk to the people?
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@saltywizard @Curator @cairobraga when you write that does it talk to the people?
@terribletowelie @Curator @cairobraga
if you copy/paste it into the #alttext of your image, your toot will likely get more boosts.
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Can we please not with all the ableist language I'm seeing around discussing AI (and anything, really)?
Using words to refer to negative situations, when those words have been used to describe people with mental health problems, is perpetuating a stigma that mental health conditions and the people that have them are inherently bad.
Examples under CW below.
We *at the very least* limit anyone we see using language like this, and almost always it's a full block from our instance.
@Curator let's picture Sam Altman does something very aggravating :
incompetent (?)
cheap
unreasonable
shocking
too much x / too little x
disgusting
degrading
frustrating
flabbergasting
detestable
childish (?)He would be a(n) :
asshole
jerk
creep
dirtbag
nuisance
bootlicker
billionaire (to me that's just an insult even if you don't have a billion of whatever currency)
<thing> bro (i.e. AI bro)
prick -
@Curator let's picture Sam Altman does something very aggravating :
incompetent (?)
cheap
unreasonable
shocking
too much x / too little x
disgusting
degrading
frustrating
flabbergasting
detestable
childish (?)He would be a(n) :
asshole
jerk
creep
dirtbag
nuisance
bootlicker
billionaire (to me that's just an insult even if you don't have a billion of whatever currency)
<thing> bro (i.e. AI bro)
prick@konstruct yup!
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@Curator :] nice
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Can we please not with all the ableist language I'm seeing around discussing AI (and anything, really)?
Using words to refer to negative situations, when those words have been used to describe people with mental health problems, is perpetuating a stigma that mental health conditions and the people that have them are inherently bad.
Examples under CW below.
We *at the very least* limit anyone we see using language like this, and almost always it's a full block from our instance.
@Curator The human tendency to have a single word instead of a phrase to attack something.
I may have slipped here and there, but I try not to attribute human qualities to the output anymore, knowing it is a word selection algorithm. It's not "stupid" because it is completely incapable of thinking. (Picking the most probable word in the world corpus of written things is not thought.) It doesn't lie because it is inherently designed to fail (it isn't hallucinating or bullshitting, it is still generating words even though they are all wrong.)
That is what I have been leaning on lately. Describe the problem, don't summarize.
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@Curator The human tendency to have a single word instead of a phrase to attack something.
I may have slipped here and there, but I try not to attribute human qualities to the output anymore, knowing it is a word selection algorithm. It's not "stupid" because it is completely incapable of thinking. (Picking the most probable word in the world corpus of written things is not thought.) It doesn't lie because it is inherently designed to fail (it isn't hallucinating or bullshitting, it is still generating words even though they are all wrong.)
That is what I have been leaning on lately. Describe the problem, don't summarize.
@Tock Exactly - and this helps immensely when it's something like political figures that you're trying to convince someone else is bad. Saying 'Trump is an idiot' doesn't explain what he does or who he is, and his supporters are using the exact same language to talk about people on the opposite side of the political spectrum. It's useless.
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I suppose "crazy" would be considered part of the list, similar to #2? that's one I find myself tripping over sometimes and have tried to avoid. and when I grew up in the UK it'd be quite common to hear "mad" used in a similar way.
"that's crazy/mad"
Thinking about it, I struggle to find a word that I could use in such an example
But I will try! @hejchristian @Curator I'm a fan of "absurd" and "surreal"
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@hejchristian @Curator I'm a fan of "absurd" and "surreal"
@melindrea @hejchristian ooh those are good
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@melindrea @hejchristian ooh those are good
@Curator @hejchristian I've also tried to get into the habit of using "wilfully ignorant", since being ignorant isn't any kind of failing ... but staying such intentionally I'm fine with calling a failing >.>
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Can we please not with all the ableist language I'm seeing around discussing AI (and anything, really)?
Using words to refer to negative situations, when those words have been used to describe people with mental health problems, is perpetuating a stigma that mental health conditions and the people that have them are inherently bad.
Examples under CW below.
We *at the very least* limit anyone we see using language like this, and almost always it's a full block from our instance.
And I'm here in Bloomington Indiana, and the primary organization here who serves the mentally disabled is called "Stonebelt ARC".
ARC is 'association of retarded citizens'. This is still on their nonprofit incorporation and property deeds across the county.
However as terrible as 'retard' is, the absolute worse part is that Stonebelt places their mentally challenged clients to a US gov weapons manufacturing line.
I care more about actual abuses, and not nearly as much 'bad names'. I have enough anger for actual abuse actions. Its hard for me to care that much with elementary school level 'he said a bad name'.
