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Can we please not with all the ableist language I'm seeing around discussing AI (and anything, really)?

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  • curator@mastodon.artC curator@mastodon.art

    Look, before you slide into my replies giving me all kinds of tired, over-used, and entirely anticipated arguments for why you should be allowed to say the ableist words, actually - don't.

    Don't bother. I've heard it all before, and your arguments - every single one of them - are full of holes and nonsensical, I can refute you all day. This is not my first 'but I want to use the bad words' rodeo.

    If you want to do the work of fascism and support eugenics, fine, but keep it out of my mentions.

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    Also I'll block you from mastodon.art and then you won't be able to see the pretty art.

    You don't deserve the pretty art, anyway, and all the disabled, neurodiverse people on this instance are better off without you.

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    • curator@mastodon.artC curator@mastodon.art

      @unkx Also, penty of Nazis have a high IQ or are smart or have high intelligence, however you want to describe it. IQ itself is a fascist tool, but that's a different argument. You're saying 'asshole' is more muddled in meaning, while choosing to use a non-specific and irrelevant word to describe someone. If Bob's a nazi, call him a nazi. His intellect is entirely irrelevant.

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      @Curator @unkx
      IQ doesn't measure intelligence. It compares people of nearly identical backgrounds in performance of niche written / reading tests.

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      • curator@mastodon.artC curator@mastodon.art

        @saltywizard @cairobraga 😛

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        @Curator @saltywizard my flabber is gasted, and my heart is honoured with such piece of calligraphical art. I can't thank you enough for this, Curator, truly. (I'm not even joking, I'm truly touched by this.)

        as the kids say nowadays: thanks to you I peaked, it's peak.

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        • cairobraga@gts.cairobraga.comC cairobraga@gts.cairobraga.com

          @Curator @saltywizard my flabber is gasted, and my heart is honoured with such piece of calligraphical art. I can't thank you enough for this, Curator, truly. (I'm not even joking, I'm truly touched by this.)

          as the kids say nowadays: thanks to you I peaked, it's peak.

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          @cairobraga @saltywizard

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          • curator@mastodon.artC curator@mastodon.art

            @cairobraga @saltywizard

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            @Curator @cairobraga @saltywizard

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            • terribletowelie@mastodon.socialT terribletowelie@mastodon.social

              @Curator @cairobraga @saltywizard

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              @terribletowelie @Curator @saltywizard this JUMPSCARE was uncalled for.

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              • curator@mastodon.artC curator@mastodon.art

                Lunatic, insane, stupid, dumb, retarded, moron, idiot, imbecile, cretin, crazy, mad, nuts.

                Any word that relates to low intelligence, smartness, or IQ.

                Seriously, this is Nazi shit; you are literally doing the work of fascists in using language like this.

                I appreciate that you might not have known, especially if English is not your first language and you weren't aware of the history of these words and their use as insults, but NOW YOU DO KNOW.

                And now you can stop.

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                @Curator
                TIL, thank you 💜

                I had sometimes used #2 (not towards a person, but to describe something happening), #3, #4, and #7,

                but hadn't really given it much thought before that it would be ableist language.

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                • hejchristian@front-end.socialH hejchristian@front-end.social

                  @Curator
                  TIL, thank you 💜

                  I had sometimes used #2 (not towards a person, but to describe something happening), #3, #4, and #7,

                  but hadn't really given it much thought before that it would be ableist language.

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                  @Curator

                  I suppose "crazy" would be considered part of the list, similar to #2? that's one I find myself tripping over sometimes and have tried to avoid. and when I grew up in the UK it'd be quite common to hear "mad" used in a similar way.

                  "that's crazy/mad"

                  Thinking about it, I struggle to find a word that I could use in such an example 😅 But I will try! 💪

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                  • hejchristian@front-end.socialH hejchristian@front-end.social

                    @Curator

                    I suppose "crazy" would be considered part of the list, similar to #2? that's one I find myself tripping over sometimes and have tried to avoid. and when I grew up in the UK it'd be quite common to hear "mad" used in a similar way.

                    "that's crazy/mad"

                    Thinking about it, I struggle to find a word that I could use in such an example 😅 But I will try! 💪

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                    @hejchristian Oh, yeah, crazy and mad are both candidates.

                    I use 'wild' where I'd previously have used words like that, it kinda conveys the same tone 🙂

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                    • curator@mastodon.artC curator@mastodon.art

                      @hejchristian Oh, yeah, crazy and mad are both candidates.

                      I use 'wild' where I'd previously have used words like that, it kinda conveys the same tone 🙂

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                      @Curator Wild! yeah that works 🙂 I was gonna say "that's nuts" but then... no, I'm fairly sure I've heard that used as a slur.

                      Thanks again! ☺️

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                      • hejchristian@front-end.socialH hejchristian@front-end.social

                        @Curator Wild! yeah that works 🙂 I was gonna say "that's nuts" but then... no, I'm fairly sure I've heard that used as a slur.

                        Thanks again! ☺️

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                        @hejchristian Heh, yeah, nuts is also a word used to describe people with mental health conditions 😕

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                        • terribletowelie@mastodon.socialT terribletowelie@mastodon.social

                          @Curator @cairobraga @saltywizard

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                          @terribletowelie @Curator @cairobraga @saltywizard

                          Risky click of the day. That's on me, I shouldn't have clicked.

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                          • curator@mastodon.artC curator@mastodon.art

                            @hejchristian Heh, yeah, nuts is also a word used to describe people with mental health conditions 😕

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                            @Curator

                            The more I've thought about it the more words I am coming up with!

                            Deffo having a areWeTheBaddies.gif moment thinking back about how I used such words without thinking.

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                            • hejchristian@front-end.socialH hejchristian@front-end.social

                              @Curator

                              The more I've thought about it the more words I am coming up with!

                              Deffo having a areWeTheBaddies.gif moment thinking back about how I used such words without thinking.

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                              @hejchristian I very much appreciate that you're going 'oh, wow, yeah now I see it' instead of doubling down like a lot of the other replies here Props to you!

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                              • curator@mastodon.artC curator@mastodon.art

                                @cairobraga @saltywizard I've been trying to avoid things that use sex-specific bodyparts, to avoid e.g. implying that penises are bad (calling someone a dickhead) - I stick with things that are more general, like shithead and asshole 😄

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                                @Curator @cairobraga @saltywizard

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                                • terribletowelie@mastodon.socialT terribletowelie@mastodon.social

                                  @Curator @cairobraga @saltywizard

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                                  @terribletowelie

                                  a cartoon showing two spiders. one is laying flat with its legs extended. the other says, 'don't be an asshole, steve." (the flat spider resembles a simple drawing of a butthole).

                                  #alt4you

                                  @Curator @cairobraga

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                                  • saltywizard@beige.partyS saltywizard@beige.party

                                    @terribletowelie

                                    a cartoon showing two spiders. one is laying flat with its legs extended. the other says, 'don't be an asshole, steve." (the flat spider resembles a simple drawing of a butthole).

                                    #alt4you

                                    @Curator @cairobraga

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                                    @saltywizard @Curator @cairobraga when you write that does it talk to the people?

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                                    • terribletowelie@mastodon.socialT terribletowelie@mastodon.social

                                      @saltywizard @Curator @cairobraga when you write that does it talk to the people?

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                                      @terribletowelie @Curator @cairobraga

                                      if you copy/paste it into the #alttext of your image, your toot will likely get more boosts.

                                      #inclusivity

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                                      • curator@mastodon.artC curator@mastodon.art

                                        Can we please not with all the ableist language I'm seeing around discussing AI (and anything, really)?

                                        Using words to refer to negative situations, when those words have been used to describe people with mental health problems, is perpetuating a stigma that mental health conditions and the people that have them are inherently bad.

                                        Examples under CW below.

                                        We *at the very least* limit anyone we see using language like this, and almost always it's a full block from our instance.

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                                        @Curator let's picture Sam Altman does something very aggravating :

                                        incompetent (?)
                                        cheap
                                        unreasonable
                                        shocking
                                        too much x / too little x
                                        disgusting
                                        degrading
                                        frustrating
                                        flabbergasting
                                        detestable
                                        childish (?)

                                        He would be a(n) :

                                        asshole
                                        jerk
                                        creep
                                        dirtbag
                                        nuisance
                                        bootlicker
                                        billionaire (to me that's just an insult even if you don't have a billion of whatever currency)
                                        <thing> bro (i.e. AI bro)
                                        prick

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                                        • konstruct@woof.techK konstruct@woof.tech

                                          @Curator let's picture Sam Altman does something very aggravating :

                                          incompetent (?)
                                          cheap
                                          unreasonable
                                          shocking
                                          too much x / too little x
                                          disgusting
                                          degrading
                                          frustrating
                                          flabbergasting
                                          detestable
                                          childish (?)

                                          He would be a(n) :

                                          asshole
                                          jerk
                                          creep
                                          dirtbag
                                          nuisance
                                          bootlicker
                                          billionaire (to me that's just an insult even if you don't have a billion of whatever currency)
                                          <thing> bro (i.e. AI bro)
                                          prick

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                                          @konstruct yup! 😄

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