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  3. BREAKING: Signal, the #1 privacy protecting messaging app many of us rely on, is saying they will pull out of 🇨🇦 ENTIRELY if they're scoped into #BillC22 without large changes.

BREAKING: Signal, the #1 privacy protecting messaging app many of us rely on, is saying they will pull out of 🇨🇦 ENTIRELY if they're scoped into #BillC22 without large changes.

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  • kkarhan@c.imK kkarhan@c.im

    @neutronstar @OpenMediaOrg @monocles I think #meshtastic isn't bad. It's sad that #LoRa is kinda patented but at least there is a vibrant ecosystem around it and more of a "carrot licensing" than "stick licensing" approach from what I can see...

    - In that regard, it's just a more modern alternative to proprietary modules on #ISM bands.

    But it again needs "yet another transciever" and dedicaded hardware (even if it's just some tiny IC) and it's nature of "burst" messaging in the vicinity really restricts it's use-cases.

    - At best I'd consider it a faster & cheaper alternative to Iridium Short Burst Data when you only need coverage on a few fixed sites but neither WiFi nor Bluetooth are an option but you need more than a few hundred bytes at 2400 bit/s, avoiding overcrowded 2,4 GHz and being more generous in message size than #ZigBee...

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    @kkarhan @OpenMediaOrg @monocles
    Yeah, kinda getting annoyed at, like every single company it seems, releasing their own crypto currency. Like what??

    And LoRa is a bit weird yeah, and the transceivers could in theory be yet another security risk on your phone.

    But hopefully things works out, and have a great day!

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    • reflex@retrogaming.socialR reflex@retrogaming.social

      @wiredfire @landelare @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim is an alternative Android client with additional mitigations, if you are on Android, you should consider switching.

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      @reflex @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim If it forces me to provide my phone number, I'm just as interested in it as the regular Signal.

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      • landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL landelare@mastodon.gamedev.place

        @reflex @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim If it forces me to provide my phone number, I'm just as interested in it as the regular Signal.

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        @landelare @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim It uses your existing Signal account, it's not an alternative as it connects to their network. If your account is set up with a username, it'll work with Molly.

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        • reflex@retrogaming.socialR reflex@retrogaming.social

          @landelare @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim It uses your existing Signal account, it's not an alternative as it connects to their network. If your account is set up with a username, it'll work with Molly.

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          @reflex @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim I'm not aware of any method to register with a username and no phone number, and so far, I have no reason to believe that one exists. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong.

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          • landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL landelare@mastodon.gamedev.place

            @reflex @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim I'm not aware of any method to register with a username and no phone number, and so far, I have no reason to believe that one exists. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong.

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            @landelare @reflex @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim keep an eye on Molly, They’re working on just that

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            Specifications and project-wide documentation for Flatline. - flatline-docs/drafts/phone-less-registration.md at main · mollyim/flatline-docs

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            • landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL landelare@mastodon.gamedev.place

              @reflex @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim I'm not aware of any method to register with a username and no phone number, and so far, I have no reason to believe that one exists. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong.

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              @landelare @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim You can set up an account with a virtual phone number and then let that number lapse: https://www.techbout.com/use-signal-without-phone-number-sim-61328/

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              • wiredfire@mstdn.socialW wiredfire@mstdn.social

                @landelare @reflex @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim keep an eye on Molly, They’re working on just that

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                Specifications and project-wide documentation for Flatline. - flatline-docs/drafts/phone-less-registration.md at main · mollyim/flatline-docs

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                @wiredfire @reflex @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim If you'll excuse me, I'll believe it if/when I see it. An unimplemented draft is worthless.

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                • reflex@retrogaming.socialR reflex@retrogaming.social

                  @landelare @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim You can set up an account with a virtual phone number and then let that number lapse: https://www.techbout.com/use-signal-without-phone-number-sim-61328/

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                  @reflex @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim That's a "no" then.

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                  • landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL landelare@mastodon.gamedev.place

                    @reflex @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim That's a "no" then.

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                    @landelare @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim I'm not sure what you mean. There are lots of ways to grab a temporary phone number that isn't linked to you personally. Google hands them out, you can create them with an anon account, use it to register, add a username, ditch the account.

                    Clunky, but it works.

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                    • reflex@retrogaming.socialR reflex@retrogaming.social

                      @landelare @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim I'm not sure what you mean. There are lots of ways to grab a temporary phone number that isn't linked to you personally. Google hands them out, you can create them with an anon account, use it to register, add a username, ditch the account.

                      Clunky, but it works.

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                      @reflex @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim Still a phone number.

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                      • landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL landelare@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        @reflex @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim Still a phone number.

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                        @landelare @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim Okay, well, I don't know what your issue is with the existence of numbers, I made apparently the poor assumption it was a privacy issue, apparently not.

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                        • openmediaorg@mastodon.socialO openmediaorg@mastodon.social

                          BREAKING: Signal, the #1 privacy protecting messaging app many of us rely on, is saying they will pull out of 🇨🇦 ENTIRELY if they're scoped into #BillC22 without large changes.

                          This should be our final alarm bell: we can have digital privacy or we can have legislation this broad and broken, not both!

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                          Secure messaging service says it will not weaken its encryption, privacy safeguards for government

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                          For any new followers who received this post, please know there's a one click option for you to tell your MP to vote NO on #BillC22!
                          https://www.openmedia.org/StopC22-mast

                          #cdnpoli

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                          • reflex@retrogaming.socialR reflex@retrogaming.social

                            @landelare @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim Okay, well, I don't know what your issue is with the existence of numbers, I made apparently the poor assumption it was a privacy issue, apparently not.

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                            @reflex @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim The numbers being forced. I would not mind at all if they were just an option. Discord of all things does this better, which is ridiculous.

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                            • landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL landelare@mastodon.gamedev.place

                              @reflex @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim The numbers being forced. I would not mind at all if they were just an option. Discord of all things does this better, which is ridiculous.

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                              @landelare @wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim I understand the sentiment, I was just trying to solve the practical problem. I have argued with them for years about the number thing, but there didn't used to be any workaround at all. Now there is so while I want them to finish the job, I at least can show people how to set up and still preserve their privacy.

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