The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it.
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@grumpygamer "network effects" are a killer! kinda means an alternative needs to be overwhelmingly better all at once to make a dent, which rarely happens.
@grumpygamer @jplebreton well the unsurmountable inevitability of network effects is the lie big social companies are telling you today.
In reality all that's keeping them from beeing disrupted is a big moat full of aggressive IP laws/lawyers around their business model (e.g. controlling access to "their" users)
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The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it. It's everyones I need to work with. They aren't going to join my self-hosted service just to exchange work files or chat, etc. I've tried.
Going to have to start working on my roleplaying group to ditch Discord as our online meetup venue...
And I'm dreading it cos it took me way too long to get them to stop using FB Messenger for arrangements and between-sessions discussions.
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The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it. It's everyones I need to work with. They aren't going to join my self-hosted service just to exchange work files or chat, etc. I've tried.
@grumpygamer yep. Same here. I have clients who I can’t abandon.
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The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it. It's everyones I need to work with. They aren't going to join my self-hosted service just to exchange work files or chat, etc. I've tried.
The problem may be that people don't want to create a new account for every service they probably won't use.
What if we set up Keycloak or LemonLDAP::ng with the option to log in with Google, Facebook, and Apple?
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The problem may be that people don't want to create a new account for every service they probably won't use.
What if we set up Keycloak or LemonLDAP::ng with the option to log in with Google, Facebook, and Apple?
If you have shared/family computer, you can also configure it to authenticate against Keycloak/LemonLDAP::NG.
One password to rule them all~~
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@grumpygamer I've been thinking for a while that I should host a Jabber server as soon as I can find anyone who wants to chat on Jabber.
(It hasn't come up so far. Shockingly.)
@ids1024 I did set one up for my family way back when, we're now using that for all our family comms. Also setup NextCloud with a calendar shared across all family members. The last one was kind of a killer feature that got everyone around.
If you want to start with Jabber, but not make an account, Quicksy is a super-simple start for everyone. -
The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it. It's everyones I need to work with. They aren't going to join my self-hosted service just to exchange work files or chat, etc. I've tried.
@grumpygamer Aw, I'll join your self-hosted service, Ron.
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The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it. It's everyones I need to work with. They aren't going to join my self-hosted service just to exchange work files or chat, etc. I've tried.
@grumpygamer This is the exact issue I have because due to being jobless and having bad luck in school I have zero IRL friends and my entire social life depends on the friends I got online so it's crucial I stick to wherever they all are
best I've been able to do is add one of my friends on Signal -
The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it. It's everyones I need to work with. They aren't going to join my self-hosted service just to exchange work files or chat, etc. I've tried.
@grumpygamer 100% this. I have a similar losing battle with WhatsApp.
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The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it. It's everyones I need to work with. They aren't going to join my self-hosted service just to exchange work files or chat, etc. I've tried.
@grumpygamer I know the feeling. It's also quite hurtful when I explain that the selfhosted server is own by me and they still don't want to join. It's like they trust evil corpos more than me
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@grumpygamer I know the feeling. It's also quite hurtful when I explain that the selfhosted server is own by me and they still don't want to join. It's like they trust evil corpos more than me
@thanius That's not about trust though, it's about convenience and how many tech hoops you have the energy to jump through on top of all the other ones and how much extra hassle you want to deal with. Same reason everyone hasn't switched to Linux even though Windows sucks. It's just inertia. I wouldn't take it personally.
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@grumpygamer I've had luck getting people to collaborate via shared links over cryptpad.fr, but somehow I can't get them to make accounts there…
... And they have this 'registered' initial tier where you not even give much more info than user + pass
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The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it. It's everyones I need to work with. They aren't going to join my self-hosted service just to exchange work files or chat, etc. I've tried.
@grumpygamer either you manage to convince them to switch with the same reasons you decided, or you have to use some kind of incentive. It has to be super easy, and preferably get some killer feature that trigger the want to do it.
I have been there myself, and know the intellectual arguments wont cut it on some individuals.
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The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it. It's everyones I need to work with. They aren't going to join my self-hosted service just to exchange work files or chat, etc. I've tried.
@grumpygamer my strategy is to use the popular tools to communicate and collaborate with normies, but to keep my personal data in places I trust. For example, use Google drive to collaborate on a shared spreadsheet, but use Libreoffice for any sensitive spreadsheets that only you use
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The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it. It's everyones I need to work with. They aren't going to join my self-hosted service just to exchange work files or chat, etc. I've tried.
sole argument that really worked for me so far (on the job):
"Sorry, it is illegal for me to use googledoc/dropbox/... I am fine with cryptpad or can provide you access to our GDPR compliant collabora/nextcloud/... tool. -
The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it. It's everyones I need to work with. They aren't going to join my self-hosted service just to exchange work files or chat, etc. I've tried.
@grumpygamer Thats the wrong approach.
You create an account for them and say "Here, there you go, log in and change your password after first login".
On the other hand, i never had any company ever that used Discord.
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@grumpygamer "network effects" are a killer! kinda means an alternative needs to be overwhelmingly better all at once to make a dent, which rarely happens.
@jplebreton @grumpygamer Isn't this the same argument people use to stay on Twitter?
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The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it. It's everyones I need to work with. They aren't going to join my self-hosted service just to exchange work files or chat, etc. I've tried.
@grumpygamer Does anyone still know how to upload to an FTP server, perhaps?
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@jplebreton @grumpygamer Isn't this the same argument people use to stay on Twitter?
@grumpygamer @skylark13 we're having this conversation on mastodon so obviously we three see the importance of moving to alternatives. i'm just pointing out that getting the masses to switch with us is a challenging social problem.
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@grumpygamer @skylark13 we're having this conversation on mastodon so obviously we three see the importance of moving to alternatives. i'm just pointing out that getting the masses to switch with us is a challenging social problem.
@jplebreton @grumpygamer Well, yeah, that's what I was wondering about. It's a hard problem but it has to start somewhere, and I think you two (and others) can be drivers since people will want to work with you.
Let's keep it up!
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