The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it.
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The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it. It's everyones I need to work with. They aren't going to join my self-hosted service just to exchange work files or chat, etc. I've tried.
@grumpygamer 100% this. I have a similar losing battle with WhatsApp.
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The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it. It's everyones I need to work with. They aren't going to join my self-hosted service just to exchange work files or chat, etc. I've tried.
@grumpygamer I know the feeling. It's also quite hurtful when I explain that the selfhosted server is own by me and they still don't want to join. It's like they trust evil corpos more than me
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@grumpygamer I know the feeling. It's also quite hurtful when I explain that the selfhosted server is own by me and they still don't want to join. It's like they trust evil corpos more than me
@thanius That's not about trust though, it's about convenience and how many tech hoops you have the energy to jump through on top of all the other ones and how much extra hassle you want to deal with. Same reason everyone hasn't switched to Linux even though Windows sucks. It's just inertia. I wouldn't take it personally.
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@grumpygamer I've had luck getting people to collaborate via shared links over cryptpad.fr, but somehow I can't get them to make accounts there…
... And they have this 'registered' initial tier where you not even give much more info than user + pass
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The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it. It's everyones I need to work with. They aren't going to join my self-hosted service just to exchange work files or chat, etc. I've tried.
@grumpygamer either you manage to convince them to switch with the same reasons you decided, or you have to use some kind of incentive. It has to be super easy, and preferably get some killer feature that trigger the want to do it.
I have been there myself, and know the intellectual arguments wont cut it on some individuals.
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The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it. It's everyones I need to work with. They aren't going to join my self-hosted service just to exchange work files or chat, etc. I've tried.
@grumpygamer my strategy is to use the popular tools to communicate and collaborate with normies, but to keep my personal data in places I trust. For example, use Google drive to collaborate on a shared spreadsheet, but use Libreoffice for any sensitive spreadsheets that only you use
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The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it. It's everyones I need to work with. They aren't going to join my self-hosted service just to exchange work files or chat, etc. I've tried.
sole argument that really worked for me so far (on the job):
"Sorry, it is illegal for me to use googledoc/dropbox/... I am fine with cryptpad or can provide you access to our GDPR compliant collabora/nextcloud/... tool. -
The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it. It's everyones I need to work with. They aren't going to join my self-hosted service just to exchange work files or chat, etc. I've tried.
@grumpygamer Thats the wrong approach.
You create an account for them and say "Here, there you go, log in and change your password after first login".
On the other hand, i never had any company ever that used Discord.
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@grumpygamer "network effects" are a killer! kinda means an alternative needs to be overwhelmingly better all at once to make a dent, which rarely happens.
@jplebreton @grumpygamer Isn't this the same argument people use to stay on Twitter?
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The problem with ditching services like Discord or Google Docs or Dropbox isn't me, I'm happy to do it. It's everyones I need to work with. They aren't going to join my self-hosted service just to exchange work files or chat, etc. I've tried.
@grumpygamer Does anyone still know how to upload to an FTP server, perhaps?
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@jplebreton @grumpygamer Isn't this the same argument people use to stay on Twitter?
@grumpygamer @skylark13 we're having this conversation on mastodon so obviously we three see the importance of moving to alternatives. i'm just pointing out that getting the masses to switch with us is a challenging social problem.
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@grumpygamer @skylark13 we're having this conversation on mastodon so obviously we three see the importance of moving to alternatives. i'm just pointing out that getting the masses to switch with us is a challenging social problem.
@jplebreton @grumpygamer Well, yeah, that's what I was wondering about. It's a hard problem but it has to start somewhere, and I think you two (and others) can be drivers since people will want to work with you.
Let's keep it up!
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