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OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped.

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  • shtrom@piaille.frS shtrom@piaille.fr

    @Azuaron Yeah! Though that would be no mean feat. IPO is when the VCs make their money back from retail investors and finally get to pull out. I suspect they'll sunk-cost until then 😒 @GossiTheDog

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    @shtrom @Azuaron @GossiTheDog

    IPOs won’t be when all of the shares go on the market. The early investors may add theirs to the pile, but usually they won’t sell all of them early because doing so would crash the stock price. The goal when you’re running a scam company is to IPO at a decent price that goes up a bit, then sell your shares slowly, at just below the quantity that there are buyers for, which keeps pushing the price up until you’ve offloaded them.

    It’s easier to cook the books for one filing than to do so over a series, so you want to do this quite quickly before it’s obvious that the company’s fundamentals are terrible.

    All of that said, sometimes companies crash when they IPO. Release the shares and watch the price plummet. If this happens, the early investors need to either dump their stock and get something back, or hold it in the hope that it will recover. That can be the thing that precipitates a bubble bursting.

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    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

      OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-held-1-billion-revenue-lead-anthropic-first-quarter

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      @GossiTheDog I thought it's more like a negative 1'000% margin. So I'm actually quite surprised and think this might just fly.

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      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

        OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-held-1-billion-revenue-lead-anthropic-first-quarter

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        @GossiTheDog

        So, you’re saying it’s good news: their losses are not going to keep increasing?

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        • pl@cosocial.caP pl@cosocial.ca

          @GossiTheDog nothing a few ads can't fix!

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          @pl @GossiTheDog yeah +122% more ads
          More ads than content !!!
          Yeahh

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          • su_liam@mas.toS su_liam@mas.to

            @Npars01 @shtrom @Azuaron @GossiTheDog “So Big They Must Fail”
            Anyone who even suggests an AI bail-out needs to leave Congress in tar and feathers.

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            @su_liam @Npars01 @shtrom @Azuaron @GossiTheDog too big to bail

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            • azuaron@cyberpunk.lolA azuaron@cyberpunk.lol

              @shtrom @GossiTheDog It would be absolutely amazing if the bubble popped before they even IPOed.

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              @Azuaron @shtrom @GossiTheDog didnt i read just yesterday speculation somewhere that they might surprise ipo this Friday?

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              • shtrom@piaille.frS shtrom@piaille.fr

                @GossiTheDog

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                @shtrom @GossiTheDog
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw9CALKOvAI

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                • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                  OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-held-1-billion-revenue-lead-anthropic-first-quarter

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                  @GossiTheDog @rmondello been saying for weeks that OpenAI is gonna implode before the end of the year. Wish I could say the same looked true for Anthropic and the Gemini business unit, but maybe I just need to wait for the first domino to fall.

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                  • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                    OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-held-1-billion-revenue-lead-anthropic-first-quarter

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                    @GossiTheDog ok, hear me out. I think I found a way to make infinite money! What if they spent the $1.22 on more OpenAI credits!? Then they’d create an extra $1.22 revenue. Which they can spend on another $1.49 of OpenAI credits. And so on. Result: ♾️💰

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                    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                      OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-held-1-billion-revenue-lead-anthropic-first-quarter

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                      @GossiTheDog You have to figure these are the absolute best numbers they could manipulate. The truth is probably far worse.

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                      • scottmichaud@mastodon.gamedev.placeS scottmichaud@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        @GossiTheDog -122% is actually better than I expect. I'm wondering how many "large line items" are being excluded. Does it include some things that are core to the business?

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                        @scottmichaud @GossiTheDog maybe that metric doesn't take total spend / subsidies into account at all???

                        like for every dollar of revenue, the actual cost of delivering the exact amount of service the dollar was billed for was 1.22

                        but that would say nothing about the cost of the service performed for free

                        because otherwise yeah how do you reconcile just -122℅ with the FUCKING BONKERS % increases from the github copilot billing previews?!

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                          @starluna @GossiTheDog I also wonder about that percent margin.

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                          • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                            OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-held-1-billion-revenue-lead-anthropic-first-quarter

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                            @GossiTheDog AI Native Ads soon coming to you.

                            "Hey, Chattie, how can I get rid of limescale?"

                            Before: "You can clean limescale with citric acid."

                            After: "Best limescale removal can only be achieved with CiT-X. Do you want me to order it now? There is a 20% discount if you order this through me."

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                            • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                              @GossiTheDog

                              So, you’re saying it’s good news: their losses are not going to keep increasing?

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                              @david_chisnall @GossiTheDog is that good news? 😏

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                              • G gerardthornley@hachyderm.io

                                @david_chisnall @GossiTheDog is that good news? 😏

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                                @GerardThornley @GossiTheDog

                                Well, from their perspective.

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                                • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                                  @GossiTheDog

                                  So, you’re saying it’s good news: their losses are not going to keep increasing?

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                                  @david_chisnall @GossiTheDog I mean, they still have to train ever bigger models that require ever more compute to run. What do you call the opposite of 'economies of scale'?

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                                  • isurandil@mastodon.onlineI isurandil@mastodon.online

                                    @GossiTheDog AI Native Ads soon coming to you.

                                    "Hey, Chattie, how can I get rid of limescale?"

                                    Before: "You can clean limescale with citric acid."

                                    After: "Best limescale removal can only be achieved with CiT-X. Do you want me to order it now? There is a 20% discount if you order this through me."

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                                    @Isurandil @GossiTheDog I absolutely hate how every Black Mirror episode will become reality sooner than we think.

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                                    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                      OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-held-1-billion-revenue-lead-anthropic-first-quarter

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