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OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped.

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  • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

    OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-held-1-billion-revenue-lead-anthropic-first-quarter

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    @GossiTheDog the valuations seem to be basically fake - china is the value option now and they actually include freedom dust

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    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

      OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-held-1-billion-revenue-lead-anthropic-first-quarter

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      @GossiTheDog incredible business minds running AI.

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      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

        OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-held-1-billion-revenue-lead-anthropic-first-quarter

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        @GossiTheDog

        Lie-writing. They didn't generate anything then.

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        • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

          OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-held-1-billion-revenue-lead-anthropic-first-quarter

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          @GossiTheDog really looking forward to the next batch of corporate financial thrillers such as "Margin Call 2: 2 Margin 2 Call" and "The Big Shart".

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          • azuaron@cyberpunk.lolA azuaron@cyberpunk.lol

            @shtrom @GossiTheDog It would be absolutely amazing if the bubble popped before they even IPOed.

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            @Azuaron @shtrom @GossiTheDog my over-under with my bestie is November. We’ve a fancy steak dinner riding on it. Remarkably just last week he admitted that’s it’s gonna pop, but he estimates Q1 ‘27 after Q4 numbers are cooked/announced.

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            • shtrom@piaille.frS shtrom@piaille.fr

              @Azuaron Yeah! Though that would be no mean feat. IPO is when the VCs make their money back from retail investors and finally get to pull out. I suspect they'll sunk-cost until then 😒 @GossiTheDog

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              @shtrom @Azuaron @GossiTheDog

              The last time petrostate despots & oil oligarchs laundered their cash via Deutsche Bank, private equity, & the housing market.

              This time they're laundering their cash through US tech.

              In any other situation, the C-suite would be swiftly turfed out, but Zuckerberg is still in charge at Meta, despite losing $77 billion on the Metaverse.

              In the AI situation, the same insane losses & the same retention of money-losing executives. Odd.

              Circular Finance Fraud.

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              • fencepost@infosec.exchangeF fencepost@infosec.exchange

                @GossiTheDog oh no, will they be able to get enough investor money to pay for all the GPUs, RAM and storage they've committed to buying?

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                @fencepost @GossiTheDog Yeah, that's why nobody is actually building factory capacity.

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                • dirkhh@hachyderm.ioD dirkhh@hachyderm.io

                  @scottmichaud
                  Also, of course, is the actual cost of obtaining training data. Because "stealing all the data in the world" isn't really valid accounting in most systems I'm aware of.

                  @GossiTheDog

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                  @dirkhh Oh, if they moved from IFRS to AIFRS (which I just invented, stroke of genius, will need to start this as a side hustle) that’d be easy. They can just activate all the data they … found … as “Fair Use Data Inventory” at arbitrary valuation. Also, model training is not expensed, it’s an asset called “Capitalised Weights & Biases” (amortised over 99 years). And whatever they pay for compute = Deferred Compute Debt. Makes the numbers look so much better.

                  💸

                  @scottmichaud @GossiTheDog

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                  • scottmichaud@mastodon.gamedev.placeS scottmichaud@mastodon.gamedev.place

                    @dirkhh @GossiTheDog I hear training is frequently excluded in a lot of their numbers, but I don't know which ones. (And, of course, that is silly because their entire point is compressed human knowledge, so they're going to need to continually compress human knowledge.)

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                    @scottmichaud @dirkhh @GossiTheDog These companies are classifying training as CapEx instead of what it actually is, OpEx. Ed Zitron talks about this a lot. He thinks once the AI-only companies go public (OpenAI and Anthropic), their stocks will crash because they won't be able to get away with their accounting tricks as easily. I'm personally not sure. Investors and execs seem to be going through a sort of AI psychosis, and these companies are in bed with politicians and regulators.

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                    • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                      @shtrom @Azuaron @GossiTheDog

                      The last time petrostate despots & oil oligarchs laundered their cash via Deutsche Bank, private equity, & the housing market.

                      This time they're laundering their cash through US tech.

                      In any other situation, the C-suite would be swiftly turfed out, but Zuckerberg is still in charge at Meta, despite losing $77 billion on the Metaverse.

                      In the AI situation, the same insane losses & the same retention of money-losing executives. Odd.

                      Circular Finance Fraud.

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                      @Npars01 @shtrom @Azuaron @GossiTheDog “So Big They Must Fail”
                      Anyone who even suggests an AI bail-out needs to leave Congress in tar and feathers.

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                      • shtrom@piaille.frS shtrom@piaille.fr

                        @GossiTheDog

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                        @shtrom @GossiTheDog Seriously. I had flood damage to some computers yesterday so I need to get some new hardware.. and I ain't paying these ridiculous prices.

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                        • shtrom@piaille.frS shtrom@piaille.fr

                          @Azuaron Yeah! Though that would be no mean feat. IPO is when the VCs make their money back from retail investors and finally get to pull out. I suspect they'll sunk-cost until then 😒 @GossiTheDog

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                          @shtrom @Azuaron @GossiTheDog

                          IPOs won’t be when all of the shares go on the market. The early investors may add theirs to the pile, but usually they won’t sell all of them early because doing so would crash the stock price. The goal when you’re running a scam company is to IPO at a decent price that goes up a bit, then sell your shares slowly, at just below the quantity that there are buyers for, which keeps pushing the price up until you’ve offloaded them.

                          It’s easier to cook the books for one filing than to do so over a series, so you want to do this quite quickly before it’s obvious that the company’s fundamentals are terrible.

                          All of that said, sometimes companies crash when they IPO. Release the shares and watch the price plummet. If this happens, the early investors need to either dump their stock and get something back, or hold it in the hope that it will recover. That can be the thing that precipitates a bubble bursting.

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                          • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                            OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-held-1-billion-revenue-lead-anthropic-first-quarter

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                            @GossiTheDog I thought it's more like a negative 1'000% margin. So I'm actually quite surprised and think this might just fly.

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                            • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                              OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-held-1-billion-revenue-lead-anthropic-first-quarter

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                              @GossiTheDog

                              So, you’re saying it’s good news: their losses are not going to keep increasing?

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                              • pl@cosocial.caP pl@cosocial.ca

                                @GossiTheDog nothing a few ads can't fix!

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                                @pl @GossiTheDog yeah +122% more ads
                                More ads than content !!!
                                Yeahh

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                                • su_liam@mas.toS su_liam@mas.to

                                  @Npars01 @shtrom @Azuaron @GossiTheDog “So Big They Must Fail”
                                  Anyone who even suggests an AI bail-out needs to leave Congress in tar and feathers.

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                                  @su_liam @Npars01 @shtrom @Azuaron @GossiTheDog too big to bail

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                                  • azuaron@cyberpunk.lolA azuaron@cyberpunk.lol

                                    @shtrom @GossiTheDog It would be absolutely amazing if the bubble popped before they even IPOed.

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                                    @Azuaron @shtrom @GossiTheDog didnt i read just yesterday speculation somewhere that they might surprise ipo this Friday?

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                                    • shtrom@piaille.frS shtrom@piaille.fr

                                      @GossiTheDog

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                                      @shtrom @GossiTheDog
                                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw9CALKOvAI

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                                      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                        OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-held-1-billion-revenue-lead-anthropic-first-quarter

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                                        @GossiTheDog @rmondello been saying for weeks that OpenAI is gonna implode before the end of the year. Wish I could say the same looked true for Anthropic and the Gemini business unit, but maybe I just need to wait for the first domino to fall.

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                                        • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                          OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-held-1-billion-revenue-lead-anthropic-first-quarter

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                                          @GossiTheDog ok, hear me out. I think I found a way to make infinite money! What if they spent the $1.22 on more OpenAI credits!? Then they’d create an extra $1.22 revenue. Which they can spend on another $1.49 of OpenAI credits. And so on. Result: ♾️💰

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