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Doug Ford forgot Canada is a Socialist Democracy

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  • maya_b@hachyderm.ioM maya_b@hachyderm.io

    @SnowyCA

    I do and don't agree with the 3x thing - but he has "won" 3x in a row - which I think is a combination of two things:

    1- voting system that doesn't work - we don't elect the person with more than 50% of the vote, we anoint the the person with the most votes - with more than 2 parties, this always causes problems. Run offs elections of the top 2 vote getters, or ranked choice would solve this. Neither of those options is in Doug's or the conservatives interest so not going to happen anytime soon.

    2- utter hubris amongst the other party leaders. Bonnie Crombie really screwed up when she said "NDP voters should give the Liberals their vote" and "we'll take care of you". Rather than working together to unseat the Cons, they shot themselves in the foot by digging into their respective camps. If you look at the vote split results, were the majority of votes was NOT for the Cons, you'd have a pretty even representation in the ON legislature if the "losing" opposition party withdrew and let the leader of the NDP or LIB win. Both parties would have ended up with more seats than they currently, but no, Doug got a monster majority, without an effective *chance* at an opposition. The hubris also screws up any chance of electoral reform.

    What's a voter to do when there's no real leadership?

    (and no I didn't vote for my utterly useless at all levels MPP whose also a minister in Doug's gov't. I really can't stand them)

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    @maya_b @zazzoo

    Neither Cons or Liberals want to change the voting system, but yes, we do need it!

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      @maya_b @zazzoo

      Neither Cons or Liberals want to change the voting system, but yes, we do need it!

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      @SnowyCA

      💯

      @zazzoo

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      • maya_b@hachyderm.ioM maya_b@hachyderm.io

        @SnowyCA

        I do and don't agree with the 3x thing - but he has "won" 3x in a row - which I think is a combination of two things:

        1- voting system that doesn't work - we don't elect the person with more than 50% of the vote, we anoint the the person with the most votes - with more than 2 parties, this always causes problems. Run offs elections of the top 2 vote getters, or ranked choice would solve this. Neither of those options is in Doug's or the conservatives interest so not going to happen anytime soon.

        2- utter hubris amongst the other party leaders. Bonnie Crombie really screwed up when she said "NDP voters should give the Liberals their vote" and "we'll take care of you". Rather than working together to unseat the Cons, they shot themselves in the foot by digging into their respective camps. If you look at the vote split results, were the majority of votes was NOT for the Cons, you'd have a pretty even representation in the ON legislature if the "losing" opposition party withdrew and let the leader of the NDP or LIB win. Both parties would have ended up with more seats than they currently, but no, Doug got a monster majority, without an effective *chance* at an opposition. The hubris also screws up any chance of electoral reform.

        What's a voter to do when there's no real leadership?

        (and no I didn't vote for my utterly useless at all levels MPP whose also a minister in Doug's gov't. I really can't stand them)

        @zazzoo

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        @maya_b @SnowyCA There's a media angle in here also that I've been trying to understand. The Libs and NDP can't ever seem to get a word in edgewise when it comes to the news cycle and things are disproportionately reported through a Ford lens.

        Something that completely destroyed my mind was an article in CBC during last provincial Liberal leadership focused on "who does Ford think should be leader of the Ontario Liberal party."

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          @maya_b @SnowyCA There's a media angle in here also that I've been trying to understand. The Libs and NDP can't ever seem to get a word in edgewise when it comes to the news cycle and things are disproportionately reported through a Ford lens.

          Something that completely destroyed my mind was an article in CBC during last provincial Liberal leadership focused on "who does Ford think should be leader of the Ontario Liberal party."

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          @zazzoo

          WOT?

          @SnowyCA

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          • zazzoo@mstdn.caZ zazzoo@mstdn.ca

            @maya_b @SnowyCA There's a media angle in here also that I've been trying to understand. The Libs and NDP can't ever seem to get a word in edgewise when it comes to the news cycle and things are disproportionately reported through a Ford lens.

            Something that completely destroyed my mind was an article in CBC during last provincial Liberal leadership focused on "who does Ford think should be leader of the Ontario Liberal party."

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            @zazzoo @maya_b

            I've noticed the same....it's infuriating!

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            • zazzoo@mstdn.caZ zazzoo@mstdn.ca

              @maya_b @SnowyCA There's a media angle in here also that I've been trying to understand. The Libs and NDP can't ever seem to get a word in edgewise when it comes to the news cycle and things are disproportionately reported through a Ford lens.

              Something that completely destroyed my mind was an article in CBC during last provincial Liberal leadership focused on "who does Ford think should be leader of the Ontario Liberal party."

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              @zazzoo

              I mean it's blatant on CTV but CBC?!?

              @SnowyCA

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              • maya_b@hachyderm.ioM maya_b@hachyderm.io

                @zazzoo

                I mean it's blatant on CTV but CBC?!?

                @SnowyCA

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                @maya_b @zazzoo

                yes, CBC as well. It's was a slow creep

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                • snowyca@social.vivaldi.netS snowyca@social.vivaldi.net

                  @maya_b @zazzoo

                  yes, CBC as well. It's was a slow creep

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                  @SnowyCA

                  i leave the country for 19 years and CBC goes to shite. haven't really watched any tv in the couple of years I've been back but that's just really disappointing.

                  @zazzoo

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                  • maya_b@hachyderm.ioM maya_b@hachyderm.io

                    @zazzoo

                    I mean it's blatant on CTV but CBC?!?

                    @SnowyCA

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                    @maya_b @SnowyCA Yeah, it was odd and unexpected on CBC. I guess in their minds they were trying to cover all angles, but felt that angle was rather inappropriate.

                    This would have been back in 2023, I've been trying to find an article link but there's a lot of noise because of Crombie's resignation and a whole new leadership cycle starting.

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                    • zazzoo@mstdn.caZ zazzoo@mstdn.ca

                      @maya_b @SnowyCA Yeah, it was odd and unexpected on CBC. I guess in their minds they were trying to cover all angles, but felt that angle was rather inappropriate.

                      This would have been back in 2023, I've been trying to find an article link but there's a lot of noise because of Crombie's resignation and a whole new leadership cycle starting.

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                      @zazzoo

                      never mind at the time, iirc, Stiles was leader of the oppo

                      @SnowyCA

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