never mind at the time, iirc, Stiles was leader of the oppo

@SnowyCA

This would have been back in 2023, I've been trying to find an article link but there's a lot of noise because of Crombie's resignation and a whole new leadership cycle starting.

i leave the country for 19 years and CBC goes to shite. haven't really watched any tv in the couple of years I've been back but that's just really disappointing.

@zazzoo

yes, CBC as well. It's was a slow creep

I mean it's blatant on CTV but CBC?!?

@SnowyCA

I've noticed the same....it's infuriating!

WOT?

@SnowyCA

Something that completely destroyed my mind was an article in CBC during last provincial Liberal leadership focused on "who does Ford think should be leader of the Ontario Liberal party."

@zazzoo

Neither Cons or Liberals want to change the voting system, but yes, we do need it!

I do and don't agree with the 3x thing - but he has "won" 3x in a row - which I think is a combination of two things:

1- voting system that doesn't work - we don't elect the person with more than 50% of the vote, we anoint the the person with the most votes - with more than 2 parties, this always causes problems. Run offs elections of the top 2 vote getters, or ranked choice would solve this. Neither of those options is in Doug's or the conservatives interest so not going to happen anytime soon.

2- utter hubris amongst the other party leaders. Bonnie Crombie really screwed up when she said "NDP voters should give the Liberals their vote" and "we'll take care of you". Rather than working together to unseat the Cons, they shot themselves in the foot by digging into their respective camps. If you look at the vote split results, were the majority of votes was NOT for the Cons, you'd have a pretty even representation in the ON legislature if the "losing" opposition party withdrew and let the leader of the NDP or LIB win. Both parties would have ended up with more seats than they currently, but no, Doug got a monster majority, without an effective *chance* at an opposition. The hubris also screws up any chance of electoral reform.

What's a voter to do when there's no real leadership?

(and no I didn't vote for my utterly useless at all levels MPP whose also a minister in Doug's gov't. I really can't stand them)

@zazzoo

Propaganda is effective!
All those commercials everyone watches and hears affects everyone--even the most highly trained to resist, are not protected

Politicians know...

I thought decades of living under austerity and billionaire rule had moved us beyond 'socialism' being a complete right-wing argument that required no further discussion.

Sadly, I guess not. John Birch lives.

yeah, well, people voted 3 freaking times for him so, once in a while I remind those fools...

.Not Directed At You, though.