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  • wackjackle@norden.socialW wackjackle@norden.social

    Great video. Watch it!

    (This is Prof. Ada Palmer)

    mikalai@privacysafe.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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    @wackJackle @adapalmer
    Since it is about info distribution logistics, about logistic bridges, we should see trolls under them. Look, Big Tech.

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    • wackjackle@norden.socialW wackjackle@norden.social

      Great video. Watch it!

      (This is Prof. Ada Palmer)

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      @wackJackle @adapalmer I don't understand the economics. If I print 300 books for the cost of one copy of the book, and I sell seven copies, doesn't that mean I've made a big profit? Even if the 293 remaining copies just sit there? Or were manuscript copies by scribes sold at a big loss?

      And https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutenberg_Bible says the full print run of 158 or 180 copies seems to have sold out immediately, including sales outside modern Germany, so how did poor distribution result in bankruptcy?

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      • eds@mathstodon.xyzE eds@mathstodon.xyz

        Really I ought to wait 17 days to post this...

        The full Dwarkesh Patel podcast interview with Ada Palmer is here:
        Why Leonardo was a saboteur, Gutenberg went broke, and Florence was weird – Ada Palmer

        - YouTube

        Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

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        @wackJackle @adapalmer

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        #46

        @EdS @wackJackle @adapalmer
        Around 44:31 -- the only time resistance fails, is when people feel that partial victory is failure.
        Wow.
        This is an explanation of why, for example putin's, propaganda is the way it is.
        This is an articulation of why purist's argument feel ... counterproductive, ... to put it mildly. Hell, millions in 20th century were killed with pikes of purist arguments physicalization.

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        • wackjackle@norden.socialW wackjackle@norden.social

          Great video. Watch it!

          (This is Prof. Ada Palmer)

          valen1@mstdn.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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          #47

          @wackJackle @adapalmer She wrote this really cool SciFi series that starts with *Too Like the Lightning*, which incorporates philosophy, alternate family structures, non-spatially located alternatives to nations, and lots more. Very good read. Like all good SF, it rewards thinking.

          BTW: I'm on team OS

          #books #SciFi

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          • wackjackle@norden.socialW wackjackle@norden.social

            Great video. Watch it!

            (This is Prof. Ada Palmer)

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            #48

            @wackJackle @adapalmer Did she talk about the earlier use of printing in China?

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            • wackjackle@norden.socialW wackjackle@norden.social

              Great video. Watch it!

              (This is Prof. Ada Palmer)

              mikalai@privacysafe.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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              #49

              @wackJackle @adapalmer
              Starting around 1:23:00 -- conversation about cost of a substrate that is needed for your non-trivial org/civilization. And what femine of this underlying resource would do.
              Think of today's shortage and price hicking of RAM and disks, and SSD (disk in chip) -- a papyrus of the current moment.
              Wow.

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              • mikalai@privacysafe.socialM mikalai@privacysafe.social

                @wackJackle @adapalmer
                Since it is about info distribution logistics, about logistic bridges, we should see trolls under them. Look, Big Tech.

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                @wackJackle @adapalmer
                Little nugget: mass produced commodity needs distribution.

                Interesting modern direction: mass produced 3D printers to let people produce artisanal-scale whatever/artifacts.

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                • amdg2@diaspodon.frA amdg2@diaspodon.fr

                  @otyugh @wackJackle but this only conclusion seems kind of obvious when you look at the state of social media, the tech oligarchy and how they affect the world.

                  If you would know about any other resources from Palmer or other on the topic I would definitely be interested to know more!

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                  @otyugh @wackJackle I found something to dig more into the topic: https://reactionwheel.net/2024/10/the-illusion-of-acceleration.html

                  After reading the article, it seems to be that this parallel between the printing press and the IT revolution is another example that could be use to support the thesis of the article.

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                  • wackjackle@norden.socialW wackjackle@norden.social

                    Great video. Watch it!

                    (This is Prof. Ada Palmer)

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                    @wackJackle @adapalmer Doesnt apply to AI. AI represents a bypass of the scentific method and is therefor an abomination in the face of every bit of progress ever made.

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                    • wackjackle@norden.socialW wackjackle@norden.social

                      Great video. Watch it!

                      (This is Prof. Ada Palmer)

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                      #53

                      @wackJackle @adapalmer full interview here: https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/ada-palmer

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                      • wackjackle@norden.socialW wackjackle@norden.social

                        Great video. Watch it!

                        (This is Prof. Ada Palmer)

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                        @wackJackle @adapalmer

                        Nice, but I would say, there are other aspects of the late medieval media revolution, which are else or even more important as Gutenberg's press. One is simple: Paper. Paper instead of parchment as the main material to write on. Nobody would have needed a machine that prints many pages in minutes, when you need hours or days to produce the material for them.
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                        • erikml@troet.cafeE erikml@troet.cafe

                          @wackJackle @adapalmer

                          Nice, but I would say, there are other aspects of the late medieval media revolution, which are else or even more important as Gutenberg's press. One is simple: Paper. Paper instead of parchment as the main material to write on. Nobody would have needed a machine that prints many pages in minutes, when you need hours or days to produce the material for them.
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                          @wackJackle @adapalmer

                          Paper was known in Europe since 12th century, but until around 1400 it was barely used, then the paper mills spread like mushrooms. And the reason for that was that many more people wrote down their everyday business, on cheap paper not on expensive parchment. Because they got the education to do it, what was another important aspect of this revolution.
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                          • erikml@troet.cafeE erikml@troet.cafe

                            @wackJackle @adapalmer

                            Paper was known in Europe since 12th century, but until around 1400 it was barely used, then the paper mills spread like mushrooms. And the reason for that was that many more people wrote down their everyday business, on cheap paper not on expensive parchment. Because they got the education to do it, what was another important aspect of this revolution.
                            2/x

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                            @wackJackle @adapalmer

                            From mid-1300s on not only clergy and high nobility learned to read and write, also the lesser nobility, town citizens and even the free and more rich part of the rural folk went to schools. If Hans Luther, a miner's son from the small village Möhra in Thuringia, wouldn't have gone to school, he would never sent his son Martin to university and the history would look quite different - and the printing presses would had much less pamphlets to print.
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                            • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

                              @adapalmer My new crush. Watching the whole podcast now, sipping rye and drinking beer.

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                              @GeePawHill @adapalmer Where IS the whole episode? I don't need to watch, just listen.

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                              • wackjackle@norden.socialW wackjackle@norden.social

                                Great video. Watch it!

                                (This is Prof. Ada Palmer)

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                                @wackJackle @adapalmer

                                Argument by analogy.

                                Interesting, perhaps illuminating, but not evidence

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                                • worik@mastodon.socialW worik@mastodon.social

                                  @wackJackle @adapalmer

                                  Argument by analogy.

                                  Interesting, perhaps illuminating, but not evidence

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                                  @worik @adapalmer

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                                  • wackjackle@norden.socialW wackjackle@norden.social

                                    Great video. Watch it!

                                    (This is Prof. Ada Palmer)

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                                    @wackJackle @adapalmer

                                    along these lines, the issues we're seeing with the "supercharged confusion" stemming from academia & industry embracing intentionally misleading terms like "AI" to describe almost any kind of statistical inference can be viewed not as a new thing, but as another iteration of the confusion that misuse of statistics have always generated. what's changed is that people used to dislike statistics, marginalizing its use. now repackaged in an easier-to-digest form, it expands

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