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What a passionate speaker they are!
On a related note, saw an exhibition of those first Venice-printed books back in the day. What pieces of art, and status symbols, too. The exhibition made a big point how the youth wanted to be painted with their bleeding-edge pocket books. No dusty coffee table books for the young generation, no sir!
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@wackJackle @adapalmer Beautifully articulated. I had considered that parallel before.
What I want to know is where the parallel goes in terms of monopolies, censorship, age-verification, etc.
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R relay@relay.an.exchange shared this topic
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@wackJackle Loving the part about Gutenberg going bankrupt and all the following ones.
Less of a fan of the conclusion* (but does she knows how to tell a story ! I was sucked right in, wow)
*Because I don't think its very interesting to argue on the unity of change on some technique branch (computers/the press) while it's always a continuum anyway so like, in the end, I felt "duh all this for that". But it was a nice journey anyway.
@otyugh @wackJackle I kind of agree with you, after watching I'm left with two feelings: that's a really interesting thesis, I like it; and: what now?
It seems there would be something to learn in this parallel she is making between those two information revolutions. But it is not obvious to me. The only thing that I can guess is that the current revolution we live in has probably not settled down and it will take another few decades at least.
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@otyugh @wackJackle I kind of agree with you, after watching I'm left with two feelings: that's a really interesting thesis, I like it; and: what now?
It seems there would be something to learn in this parallel she is making between those two information revolutions. But it is not obvious to me. The only thing that I can guess is that the current revolution we live in has probably not settled down and it will take another few decades at least.
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@otyugh @wackJackle but this only conclusion seems kind of obvious when you look at the state of social media, the tech oligarchy and how they affect the world.
If you would know about any other resources from Palmer or other on the topic I would definitely be interested to know more!
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You need historians to understand social media revolutions!
Told you so!
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1490s, boom...
gun power/cannon arrives from China (vector destroying old power equilibrium)...
as printing becomes sustainable (vector for spreading new ideas)What a time to have been alive.
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Really I ought to wait 17 days to post this...
The full Dwarkesh Patel podcast interview with Ada Palmer is here:
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@wackJackle That’s excellent.
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@wackJackle @bituur_esztreym @PARTEIBonze And the video #format is on line at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lynetSWYp4c (4'43'')
And link is given for the the complete video (the above is an extract): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAIhVfGbREA
Title: The Library of Alexandria isn’t where most ancient books were lost
Interview by Dwarkesh Patel.
Happy watching, and thanks!I wanted to thank you, I am listening to it and it is fascinating !
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@wackJackle @adapalmer I don't understand the economics. If I print 300 books for the cost of one copy of the book, and I sell seven copies, doesn't that mean I've made a big profit? Even if the 293 remaining copies just sit there? Or were manuscript copies by scribes sold at a big loss?
And https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutenberg_Bible says the full print run of 158 or 180 copies seems to have sold out immediately, including sales outside modern Germany, so how did poor distribution result in bankruptcy?
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Really I ought to wait 17 days to post this...
The full Dwarkesh Patel podcast interview with Ada Palmer is here:
Why Leonardo was a saboteur, Gutenberg went broke, and Florence was weird – Ada Palmer- YouTube
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@EdS @wackJackle @adapalmer
Around 44:31 -- the only time resistance fails, is when people feel that partial victory is failure.
Wow.
This is an explanation of why, for example putin's, propaganda is the way it is.
This is an articulation of why purist's argument feel ... counterproductive, ... to put it mildly. Hell, millions in 20th century were killed with pikes of purist arguments physicalization. -
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@wackJackle @adapalmer She wrote this really cool SciFi series that starts with *Too Like the Lightning*, which incorporates philosophy, alternate family structures, non-spatially located alternatives to nations, and lots more. Very good read. Like all good SF, it rewards thinking.
BTW: I'm on team OS
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@wackJackle @adapalmer Did she talk about the earlier use of printing in China?
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@wackJackle @adapalmer
Starting around 1:23:00 -- conversation about cost of a substrate that is needed for your non-trivial org/civilization. And what femine of this underlying resource would do.
Think of today's shortage and price hicking of RAM and disks, and SSD (disk in chip) -- a papyrus of the current moment.
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Since it is about info distribution logistics, about logistic bridges, we should see trolls under them. Look, Big Tech.@wackJackle @adapalmer
Little nugget: mass produced commodity needs distribution.Interesting modern direction: mass produced 3D printers to let people produce artisanal-scale whatever/artifacts.
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@otyugh @wackJackle but this only conclusion seems kind of obvious when you look at the state of social media, the tech oligarchy and how they affect the world.
If you would know about any other resources from Palmer or other on the topic I would definitely be interested to know more!
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@otyugh @wackJackle I found something to dig more into the topic: https://reactionwheel.net/2024/10/the-illusion-of-acceleration.html
After reading the article, it seems to be that this parallel between the printing press and the IT revolution is another example that could be use to support the thesis of the article.
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@wackJackle @adapalmer Doesnt apply to AI. AI represents a bypass of the scentific method and is therefor an abomination in the face of every bit of progress ever made.
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@wackJackle @adapalmer full interview here: https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/ada-palmer
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Nice, but I would say, there are other aspects of the late medieval media revolution, which are else or even more important as Gutenberg's press. One is simple: Paper. Paper instead of parchment as the main material to write on. Nobody would have needed a machine that prints many pages in minutes, when you need hours or days to produce the material for them.
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