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What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks?

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  • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

    What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks? I don't mind if it's quite technical. I just want to hear what you folks are being surprised by!

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    @johncarlosbaez a historical bit, for a change: I was very shocked to learn that the few italian places that have "Romano" in their name, derive that not from "Roma" and "romano" as one might expect, but from quite the opposite: during the long war between the (Roman) Empire and the Langobards, those places took name from the upper class of the Langobards, i.e. the arimanni; "Romano", in the names of these places, comes from arimanni, not from "Roma" and "Romano".

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    • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

      What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks? I don't mind if it's quite technical. I just want to hear what you folks are being surprised by!

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      @johncarlosbaez
      Our worm-like ancestors were cyclops. When they decided to start swimming, the central eye squeezed out two side eyes and was itself reduced to the pineal gland that to this day regulates our circadian cycle.

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      Our modern vision evolved from an ancient one-eyed worm creature

      The now extinct worm-like animal first lost paired eyes, then re-evolved them.

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      • pigworker@types.plP pigworker@types.pl

        I learned that the free monad construction, which iterates any container to give you a term monad, is itself a monad on containers, and that its Kleisli arrows determine a class of recursive functions over tree-like data. Moreover, if someone offers to let you test such a function but withholds the Kleisli arrow which generated it, you can recover their secret by a pleasingly small amount of perturbation testing.

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        @johncarlosbaez @pigworker I learned the same thing but the other way round (this is not a coincidence, we were in the same place when it happened). I knew this operation was a monad but didn't know it was the free monad monad

        Said in terms of just polynomial functors, the operation p* defined as the least fixpoint of p*(y) = y + p(p*(y)) (that's the least fixpoint of an endofunctor on Poly) is both a monad -* on Poly, and also has the property that p* is a monad on Set for every p

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        • pigworker@types.plP pigworker@types.pl

          I learned that the free monad construction, which iterates any container to give you a term monad, is itself a monad on containers, and that its Kleisli arrows determine a class of recursive functions over tree-like data. Moreover, if someone offers to let you test such a function but withholds the Kleisli arrow which generated it, you can recover their secret by a pleasingly small amount of perturbation testing.

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          @pigworker @johncarlosbaez

          > I learned that the free monad construction, which iterates any container to give you a term monad, is itself a monad on containers,

          Makes sense - "free" things are usually left adjoint functors, and "forgetful . free" gives a monad.

          > and that its Kleisli arrows determine a class of recursive functions over tree-like data.

          Wait, what? A Kleisli arrow would be a natural transformation f -> Free g where f and g are endofunctors; how does that give you a recursive function? Co-Kleisli arrows, sure...

          > Moreover, if someone offers to let you test such a function but withholds the Kleisli arrow which generated it, you can recover their secret by a pleasingly small amount of perturbation testing.

          SORCERY

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          • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

            What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks? I don't mind if it's quite technical. I just want to hear what you folks are being surprised by!

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            @johncarlosbaez

            I was surprised to learn that there are small cleaner ants that clean bigger ants of a different species.

            If one insect wants help with cleaning, why choose another smaller insect of the same family? One could imagine so many other willing arthropods.

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            Attached: 1 image Did ants learn this from cleaner fish? There are small ants that clean big ants without meeting any agression, just like small cleaner fish can clean sharks. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ece3.73308

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            • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

              What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks? I don't mind if it's quite technical. I just want to hear what you folks are being surprised by!

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              @johncarlosbaez India now has a larger share of new battery electric cars (out of all new cars sold) than USA

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              • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks? I don't mind if it's quite technical. I just want to hear what you folks are being surprised by!

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                @johncarlosbaez That a certain crystal structure of some material can suddenly not be produced anymore, a so called "disappearing polymorphism". I learned this from a recent episode of the "Veritasium" YouTube series. I was stunned, I still am. It seems we still do not really know how this happens. It is being hypothesized that a very tiny crystal is enough to "infect" the material to the effect of losing its polymorphism. There's also a very nice Wikipedia article about this.

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                • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                  What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks? I don't mind if it's quite technical. I just want to hear what you folks are being surprised by!

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                  @johncarlosbaez That of the heat the human body loses, 50% is by radiation.

                  Then 30% by convection, and 20% by evaporation of sweat, the latter being highly variable. Very little by conduction, unless the person is immersed in water.

                  I did not think radiation would amount to that much.

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                    @johncarlosbaez There is no recorded case of schizophrenia in anyone congenitally blind. No one knows why.

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                    @glocq There was research a few years ago, into the idea that psychiatric disorders could be diagnosed by eye saccade patterns. And the optic nerves are often included in the CNS. There's something really interesting going on here.

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                    • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                      What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks? I don't mind if it's quite technical. I just want to hear what you folks are being surprised by!

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                      @johncarlosbaez Denny Dias, guitarist for Steely Dan, was also a software engineer and worked on the database programming language Clipper.

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                      • pozorvlak@mathstodon.xyzP pozorvlak@mathstodon.xyz

                        @pigworker @johncarlosbaez

                        > I learned that the free monad construction, which iterates any container to give you a term monad, is itself a monad on containers,

                        Makes sense - "free" things are usually left adjoint functors, and "forgetful . free" gives a monad.

                        > and that its Kleisli arrows determine a class of recursive functions over tree-like data.

                        Wait, what? A Kleisli arrow would be a natural transformation f -> Free g where f and g are endofunctors; how does that give you a recursive function? Co-Kleisli arrows, sure...

                        > Moreover, if someone offers to let you test such a function but withholds the Kleisli arrow which generated it, you can recover their secret by a pleasingly small amount of perturbation testing.

                        SORCERY

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                        @pozorvlak A container is a strictly positive functor, generalising the notion of "algebraic signature". For any such F, its free monad F* gives you the F-terms, seen as containers over sets of variables, where Kleisli arrows X -> F* Y are simultaneous substitutions from variables in X to F-terms over Y. Klesli extension then gives you the action of such a thing on terms in F* X.

                        Now, indeed, morphisms F -> G in the category of containers correspond exactly to natural transformations from F to G, i.e. parametrically polymorphic functions in forall X. F X -> G X. (There is a representation theorem which gives a more concrete definition of container morphism.) Anyhow, joyously, -* is a monad on containers. A Kleisli arrow is some F -> G*, "compiling" F-operations to G-terms. Kleisli extension then gives you a compositonal F* -> G* compiler for whole F-terms. Instead of "variables and substitution", you get "operations and compilation".

                        So you can take some F -> G*, Kleisli extend to get an F* -> G*, then instantiate at 0 to get a recursive function in F* 0 -> G* 0 operating only on closed F-terms. If you let me test this function, I can reverse-engineer the Kleisli arrow you got it from.

                        If, e.g., you take F = G = (X -> 1 + X2), making F* 0 and G* 0 the type of unlabelled binary trees, I will need at most 4 tests to recover your F -> G* (or in degenerate cases, another which gives the same function), and they are the simplest 4 trees you can think of!

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                        • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                          What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks? I don't mind if it's quite technical. I just want to hear what you folks are being surprised by!

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                          @johncarlosbaez In the pilot wave interpretation of quantum mechanics the evolution of the configuration depends only on the rate of change of the phase of the wavefunction. So because the ground state of the wavefunction always has constant phase, the configuration will be "frozen". So in particular the QFT vacuum isn't a boiling sea, it's more like a frozen landscape!

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                          • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                            What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks? I don't mind if it's quite technical. I just want to hear what you folks are being surprised by!

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                            @johncarlosbaez that sample variance and sample mean being statistically independent can be taken to be a defining feature of the normal distribution.

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                            • lambo@openbiblio.socialL lambo@openbiblio.social

                              @johncarlosbaez That a certain crystal structure of some material can suddenly not be produced anymore, a so called "disappearing polymorphism". I learned this from a recent episode of the "Veritasium" YouTube series. I was stunned, I still am. It seems we still do not really know how this happens. It is being hypothesized that a very tiny crystal is enough to "infect" the material to the effect of losing its polymorphism. There's also a very nice Wikipedia article about this.

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                              @johncarlosbaez
                              Sources
                              [1] https://youtu.be/ksn5yrsC3Wg
                              [2] https://w.wiki/AgSy

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                              • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                                What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks? I don't mind if it's quite technical. I just want to hear what you folks are being surprised by!

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                                Roland Bulirsch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Bulirsch), one of the two people who wrote a numerical analysis textbook I frequently refer to (https://doi.org/10.1007/978-0-387-21738-3), as well as someone who wrote quite a bit on the subject of elliptic integrals, was apparently a gym buddy of Arnold Schwarzenegger. Bulirsch, along with their other gym friends, took up a collection to help Schwarzenegger emigrate to America.

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                                • dyoung@mathstodon.xyzD dyoung@mathstodon.xyz

                                  @johncarlosbaez that sample variance and sample mean being statistically independent can be taken to be a defining feature of the normal distribution.

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                                  @Dyoung - wow, cool! I just knew the normal distibution maximizes entropy for a given mean and variance.

                                  It would be cool if these facts are connected.

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                                    @johncarlosbaez That of the heat the human body loses, 50% is by radiation.

                                    Then 30% by convection, and 20% by evaporation of sweat, the latter being highly variable. Very little by conduction, unless the person is immersed in water.

                                    I did not think radiation would amount to that much.

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                                    @pait - Cool! I've heard wool keeps you warm because it has a high specific heat. I doubt that. Now I'm guessing it's good at absorbing infrared radiated by your body and then using the energy to warm air trapped amid the fibers. But I don't know.

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                                    • magnus@mastodon.worldM magnus@mastodon.world

                                      @johncarlosbaez

                                      I was surprised to learn that there are small cleaner ants that clean bigger ants of a different species.

                                      If one insect wants help with cleaning, why choose another smaller insect of the same family? One could imagine so many other willing arthropods.

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                                      @magnus - keeping it in the family? 😏

                                      Anyway, that's cool!

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                                      • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                                        What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks? I don't mind if it's quite technical. I just want to hear what you folks are being surprised by!

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                                        @johncarlosbaez

                                        Another thing that surprised me was that viruses, organisms that are not supposed to be alive, still “talk” with each other.

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                                        Attached: 1 image Viruses are not alive, but they talk with each other. https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(26)00227-8

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                                        • johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyzJ johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz

                                          What's the most surprising fact you've learned in the last couple of weeks? I don't mind if it's quite technical. I just want to hear what you folks are being surprised by!

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                                          @johncarlosbaez pigs can breathe through their butt!?

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