BREAKING: Signal, the #1 privacy protecting messaging app many of us rely on, is saying they will pull out of 🇨🇦 ENTIRELY if they're scoped into #BillC22 without large changes.
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@OpenMediaOrg will Signal also geofence access to apk?
@really_idk @OpenMediaOrg unlikely but I’d expect they *would* geofence the service. Essentially blocking their service from operating anywhere with a Canadian IP. And yes you’d likely be able to work around that with a decent VPN, but that’s not what non-technical folk are likely to do.
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BREAKING: Signal, the #1 privacy protecting messaging app many of us rely on, is saying they will pull out of
ENTIRELY if they're scoped into #BillC22 without large changes. This should be our final alarm bell: we can have digital privacy or we can have legislation this broad and broken, not both!
Signal warns it would pull out of Canada if made to comply with lawful access bill
Secure messaging service says it will not weaken its encryption, privacy safeguards for government
The Globe and Mail (www.theglobeandmail.com)
@OpenMediaOrg this is just #Signal chasing #Clout because they never left a juristiction to this point. Neither "P.R." #China nor #Russia nor #KSA nor Iran, and all of those demand even more #BulkAccess…
- Because Signal is a #HoneyPot collecting #PII like the #PhoneNumbers of their users.
- The only reason it's not beibg shut down like #EncroChat, #SkyECC and others is because it's the same Modi Operandi as #ANØM aka. #OperationIronside aka. #OperationTrøjanShield.
If the #Trump Regime of the #USA disliked Signal, it could kill it with a single EO due to it's hard #LockIn on #aws and lack of decentralization!
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@Mannanan @OpenMediaOrg Signal doesn’t require a phone number.
@really_idk @Mannanan @OpenMediaOrg Huh ?! When did that happen ??! You sign up on the app using your mobike phone number (as in Whatscrapp, Telegram) unlike other alternatives like Jami or Session
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As long as Signal requires a phone number to use, your privacy is already compromised.
@Mannanan @OpenMediaOrg This is such a tired, thought-terminating cliche that I’ve seen a hundred times on here.
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@OpenMediaOrg this is just #Signal chasing #Clout because they never left a juristiction to this point. Neither "P.R." #China nor #Russia nor #KSA nor Iran, and all of those demand even more #BulkAccess…
- Because Signal is a #HoneyPot collecting #PII like the #PhoneNumbers of their users.
- The only reason it's not beibg shut down like #EncroChat, #SkyECC and others is because it's the same Modi Operandi as #ANØM aka. #OperationIronside aka. #OperationTrøjanShield.
If the #Trump Regime of the #USA disliked Signal, it could kill it with a single EO due to it's hard #LockIn on #aws and lack of decentralization!
@kkarhan @OpenMediaOrg
You really like hashtags don’t you?
But yeah, we really need to escape these centralised lock-in platforms for decentralised options. I’m personally rooting for Matrix as my main alternative. SimpleX is also a good option in my opinion, as of today. They seem to allow decentralisation too, unlike Signal. -
@Mannanan @OpenMediaOrg Signal doesn’t require a phone number.
@really_idk @Mannanan @OpenMediaOrg it does require a phone number, you need one to register and/or move your Signal account.
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BREAKING: Signal, the #1 privacy protecting messaging app many of us rely on, is saying they will pull out of
ENTIRELY if they're scoped into #BillC22 without large changes. This should be our final alarm bell: we can have digital privacy or we can have legislation this broad and broken, not both!
Signal warns it would pull out of Canada if made to comply with lawful access bill
Secure messaging service says it will not weaken its encryption, privacy safeguards for government
The Globe and Mail (www.theglobeandmail.com)
@OpenMediaOrg bad on Canada, but also bad on signal for being built in a way where they can decide which countries get access. It should run on an open source backend that can be run on your own servers if you like.
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@kkarhan @OpenMediaOrg
You really like hashtags don’t you?
But yeah, we really need to escape these centralised lock-in platforms for decentralised options. I’m personally rooting for Matrix as my main alternative. SimpleX is also a good option in my opinion, as of today. They seem to allow decentralisation too, unlike Signal.@neutronstar @OpenMediaOrg Personally, I stick with #XMPP+#OMEMO because it works, there are tons of servers & providers (including paid-for ones that are pro-privacy, like @monocles !) and because it's a mature, #MultiVendor & #MultiProvider solution that pairs nicely with @torproject / #Tor.
- I've been using XMPP over Tor (with @guardianproject #Orbot) for the last 15+ years (Cuz #EDGEland has shitty mobile networks!) and it's only gotten better over time!
Maybe I need to make a whole writeup on that part if not do a tutorial session for people to listen & watch to.
- Cuz it's neither difficult nor complex once one knows what to do. And if I can onboard some frightened #TechIlliterate stuck in a besieged city with a craptastic phone on an extremely slow connection, then it should be easy for calm #Normies in their comfy homes...
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@neutronstar @OpenMediaOrg Personally, I stick with #XMPP+#OMEMO because it works, there are tons of servers & providers (including paid-for ones that are pro-privacy, like @monocles !) and because it's a mature, #MultiVendor & #MultiProvider solution that pairs nicely with @torproject / #Tor.
- I've been using XMPP over Tor (with @guardianproject #Orbot) for the last 15+ years (Cuz #EDGEland has shitty mobile networks!) and it's only gotten better over time!
Maybe I need to make a whole writeup on that part if not do a tutorial session for people to listen & watch to.
- Cuz it's neither difficult nor complex once one knows what to do. And if I can onboard some frightened #TechIlliterate stuck in a besieged city with a craptastic phone on an extremely slow connection, then it should be easy for calm #Normies in their comfy homes...
@kkarhan @OpenMediaOrg @monocles @torproject @guardianproject
Yeah, can’t really argue against using what is tried and true -
@kkarhan @OpenMediaOrg @monocles @torproject @guardianproject
Yeah, can’t really argue against using what is tried and true@neutronstar @OpenMediaOrg I mean I would, but I think it's only fair and sustainable if people pay for their services (i.e. @monocles ) and I've yet to see anything that is as battle-tested and hardened in terms of #privacy as @torproject / #Tor & @guardianproject #Orbot.
- I mean shure there's #I2P and there [used to be] #Freenet but they don't even come close and the latter one has had a horrible rep due to being notoriously abused by a certain kind of folks NOONE wants to deal with!
As always, I do see lack of competition as a risk, even if that competition would've to go up against the most battle-hardened proxy network on the planet.
- I also do acknowledge the limitations. #XMPP+#OMEMO completely falls flat on it's face in *extreme narrowband* scenarios like #SATCOM, Hamradio and Moonbouncing, but these generally struggle with somewhat syncronous protocols that want somewhat low latency and have relatively big message sizes.
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@Mannanan @OpenMediaOrg Signal doesn’t require a phone number.
@really_idk @Mannanan @OpenMediaOrg Signal does require a phone number.
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@neutronstar @OpenMediaOrg I mean I would, but I think it's only fair and sustainable if people pay for their services (i.e. @monocles ) and I've yet to see anything that is as battle-tested and hardened in terms of #privacy as @torproject / #Tor & @guardianproject #Orbot.
- I mean shure there's #I2P and there [used to be] #Freenet but they don't even come close and the latter one has had a horrible rep due to being notoriously abused by a certain kind of folks NOONE wants to deal with!
As always, I do see lack of competition as a risk, even if that competition would've to go up against the most battle-hardened proxy network on the planet.
- I also do acknowledge the limitations. #XMPP+#OMEMO completely falls flat on it's face in *extreme narrowband* scenarios like #SATCOM, Hamradio and Moonbouncing, but these generally struggle with somewhat syncronous protocols that want somewhat low latency and have relatively big message sizes.
@kkarhan @OpenMediaOrg @monocles @torproject @guardianproject
Yeah, it’s fair if people pay for the services they use, especially since it incentivises not selling people’s data or metadata. But I must add to this by saying that I think people should have the right to privacy, even if they’re financially constrained.And agreed, there is no project to date that’s more effective at providing a higher level of privacy than the tor network.
There are also options like Meshtastic that might prove itself to be a valuable tool in due time. Especially for close quarter communication and those edge case scenarios. Best let these projects be separate however, I think so at least.
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@really_idk @OpenMediaOrg unlikely but I’d expect they *would* geofence the service. Essentially blocking their service from operating anywhere with a Canadian IP. And yes you’d likely be able to work around that with a decent VPN, but that’s not what non-technical folk are likely to do.
@wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg They'll have your Canadian phone number on the account and laugh in the face of your VPN.
I'd be delighted to be disproven. Anyone claiming that Signal doesn't require phone numbers anymore, please feel free to link their instructions on how to register without a phone number.
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@kkarhan @OpenMediaOrg @monocles @torproject @guardianproject
Yeah, it’s fair if people pay for the services they use, especially since it incentivises not selling people’s data or metadata. But I must add to this by saying that I think people should have the right to privacy, even if they’re financially constrained.And agreed, there is no project to date that’s more effective at providing a higher level of privacy than the tor network.
There are also options like Meshtastic that might prove itself to be a valuable tool in due time. Especially for close quarter communication and those edge case scenarios. Best let these projects be separate however, I think so at least.
@neutronstar @OpenMediaOrg In the end paying for services like @monocles is kinda necessary if one doesn't want to be sold out.
- That's why I don't consider #Signal a sustainable option, given their extremely expensive architecture.
So it's no surprise they implemented a #Shitcoin - #Scam named #MobileCoin!
- Which is not only so bad that even #TechLiterate #Shitcoin holders can't buy it, but also just unnecessary #bloat that LITERALLY NOONE ASKED FOR!
Not to mention MobileCoin had deep ties with #FTX...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DSGq9FQKU4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MobileCoin#Affiliations_with_FTX -
@neutronstar @OpenMediaOrg In the end paying for services like @monocles is kinda necessary if one doesn't want to be sold out.
- That's why I don't consider #Signal a sustainable option, given their extremely expensive architecture.
So it's no surprise they implemented a #Shitcoin - #Scam named #MobileCoin!
- Which is not only so bad that even #TechLiterate #Shitcoin holders can't buy it, but also just unnecessary #bloat that LITERALLY NOONE ASKED FOR!
Not to mention MobileCoin had deep ties with #FTX...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DSGq9FQKU4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MobileCoin#Affiliations_with_FTX@neutronstar @OpenMediaOrg @monocles I think #meshtastic isn't bad. It's sad that #LoRa is kinda patented but at least there is a vibrant ecosystem around it and more of a "carrot licensing" than "stick licensing" approach from what I can see...
- In that regard, it's just a more modern alternative to proprietary modules on #ISM bands.
But it again needs "yet another transciever" and dedicaded hardware (even if it's just some tiny IC) and it's nature of "burst" messaging in the vicinity really restricts it's use-cases.
- At best I'd consider it a faster & cheaper alternative to Iridium Short Burst Data when you only need coverage on a few fixed sites but neither WiFi nor Bluetooth are an option but you need more than a few hundred bytes at 2400 bit/s, avoiding overcrowded 2,4 GHz and being more generous in message size than #ZigBee...
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BREAKING: Signal, the #1 privacy protecting messaging app many of us rely on, is saying they will pull out of
ENTIRELY if they're scoped into #BillC22 without large changes. This should be our final alarm bell: we can have digital privacy or we can have legislation this broad and broken, not both!
Signal warns it would pull out of Canada if made to comply with lawful access bill
Secure messaging service says it will not weaken its encryption, privacy safeguards for government
The Globe and Mail (www.theglobeandmail.com)
@OpenMediaOrg The current legislation can’t even successfully criminalize piracy; the issue here is that Canadians, like everyone else, rely on a centralized E2EE messenger. We can and should deploy the infrastructure we lack.
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@wiredfire @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg They'll have your Canadian phone number on the account and laugh in the face of your VPN.
I'd be delighted to be disproven. Anyone claiming that Signal doesn't require phone numbers anymore, please feel free to link their instructions on how to register without a phone number.
@landelare @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg I suspect Signal would actually welcome in your VPN. They’re not out to attack users here and if a user can give Signal plausible deniability of their location via a VPN I strongly suspect they’ll go with it. I may well be disproven as well of course!
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@landelare @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg I suspect Signal would actually welcome in your VPN. They’re not out to attack users here and if a user can give Signal plausible deniability of their location via a VPN I strongly suspect they’ll go with it. I may well be disproven as well of course!
@wiredfire @landelare @really_idk @OpenMediaOrg @mollyim is an alternative Android client with additional mitigations, if you are on Android, you should consider switching.
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@Mannanan @OpenMediaOrg Signal doesn’t require a phone number.
I was corrected - you do still require number to register. Thank you all to the people who spoke up.
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BREAKING: Signal, the #1 privacy protecting messaging app many of us rely on, is saying they will pull out of
ENTIRELY if they're scoped into #BillC22 without large changes. This should be our final alarm bell: we can have digital privacy or we can have legislation this broad and broken, not both!
Signal warns it would pull out of Canada if made to comply with lawful access bill
Secure messaging service says it will not weaken its encryption, privacy safeguards for government
The Globe and Mail (www.theglobeandmail.com)
Putting a CW on the post I'm replying to. Signal says it will pull out of Canada entirely if scoped into Bill C22 without larhe changes.
