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  • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

    @toerror @ainmosni @cstross It's also fairly unique in that most of the practicioners don't regard themselves as members of a creative profession at all.

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    @toerror @ainmosni @cstross As I've been saying for the last three years or so:

    Programming is an art form, and we know this because the tech industry came to destroy programming at exactly the same time it came to destroy all other art.

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    • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

      @ainmosni @Lemmus @cstross I really don't know. And that scares me, to be honest. The slop machines got a lot better than I thought they would, and also they improved faster than I thought they would.

      Software dev is basically the only thing I can do, so if the entire field does get steamrolled by AI, I'm pretty screwed.

      But hey: *Usually* the smart money isn't on the very worried guy who happens to have a clinical anxiety disorder or two being right. I could well be wrong!

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      @datarama @ainmosni @Lemmus @cstross
      I fear that AI doesn't replace me because it's better than (or at least as good as) me at writing code, but despite it's bad at it, because it's faster/cheaper (in the short term, ignoring damage by broken software that apparently no one cares about anymore)

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      • holothuroid@rollenspiel.socialH holothuroid@rollenspiel.social

        @cstross
        AI has shown us one thing. We vastly underestimate the complexity, skill and creativity behind *other* people's work. It's never our work that AI can replace only those minor things other people do.

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        @holothuroid @cstross Ayuuuuuuuup.

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        • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

          @ainmosni @Lemmus @cstross I really don't know. And that scares me, to be honest. The slop machines got a lot better than I thought they would, and also they improved faster than I thought they would.

          Software dev is basically the only thing I can do, so if the entire field does get steamrolled by AI, I'm pretty screwed.

          But hey: *Usually* the smart money isn't on the very worried guy who happens to have a clinical anxiety disorder or two being right. I could well be wrong!

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          @datarama @ainmosni @Lemmus @cstross The argument of “it’s bad at its job” is always the weakest argument because we went from nightmare fuel image gen to telling grok to make someone nude in just a couple years.

          The way the Gen AI was trained and the economic and psychological impact are the arguments that won’t go away, and are what I try to focus on when discussing it.

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          • woltiv@mastodon.socialW woltiv@mastodon.social

            @datarama @ainmosni @Lemmus @cstross The argument of “it’s bad at its job” is always the weakest argument because we went from nightmare fuel image gen to telling grok to make someone nude in just a couple years.

            The way the Gen AI was trained and the economic and psychological impact are the arguments that won’t go away, and are what I try to focus on when discussing it.

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            @woltiv @ainmosni @Lemmus @cstross

            Sure, but those are *features*, rather than bugs, to the people deploying this.

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            • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

              @cstross This is how they get us.

              Writers would never use AI-generated slop writing, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop imagery.
              Artists would never use AI-generated slop imagery, but they'll happily display art to AI-generated slop music.
              Musicians would never use AI-generated slop music, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop writing for lyrics.

              (And nobody cares about AI-generated slop code.)

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              @datarama @cstross I wish more coders would, but at least I know I'm not alone in hating all kinds of AI slop.

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              • ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu

                @datarama @cstross I wish I could say that people cared about slop code, but too many devs are showing just how little they care about the quality of their work.

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                @ainmosni @datarama @cstross

                I have seen firsthand how programmers get actively deskilled with slop code.

                People I respected stopped being able to explain and justify the changes they pushed.
                Because they did not remember. Because they did not write it.

                ANYWAYS

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                • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                  @cstross This is how they get us.

                  Writers would never use AI-generated slop writing, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop imagery.
                  Artists would never use AI-generated slop imagery, but they'll happily display art to AI-generated slop music.
                  Musicians would never use AI-generated slop music, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop writing for lyrics.

                  (And nobody cares about AI-generated slop code.)

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                  @datarama @cstross It’s depressingly Pastor Niemöller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came).

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                  • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                    @cstross This is how they get us.

                    Writers would never use AI-generated slop writing, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop imagery.
                    Artists would never use AI-generated slop imagery, but they'll happily display art to AI-generated slop music.
                    Musicians would never use AI-generated slop music, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop writing for lyrics.

                    (And nobody cares about AI-generated slop code.)

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                    @datarama @cstross this is why developing skills in multiple areas is so important. That way, we get hives from all the slop, not just one type.

                    (I find I yick hard regardless of media type. As far as my brain is concerned, it’s shoggoths all the way down.)

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                    • hareguizer@mastodon.artH hareguizer@mastodon.art

                      @datarama @cstross this is why developing skills in multiple areas is so important. That way, we get hives from all the slop, not just one type.

                      (I find I yick hard regardless of media type. As far as my brain is concerned, it’s shoggoths all the way down.)

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                      @Hareguizer @cstross That's me, I guess. I make software for a living, but I also used to draw (and make pixel art), play a couple of musical instruments, and write (bad) short fiction.

                      This is wonderful! It means that living in 2026 is a giant pile of unending disgust.

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                        @Npars01 @cstross

                        I don't understand why nearly every science fiction author is opposed to the most science fiction technology in decades

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                          I don't understand why nearly every science fiction author is opposed to the most science fiction technology in decades

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                          @a @cstross

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                            AI is a circular financial fraud, no different than Enron.

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                            • a@girllich.linkA a@girllich.link

                              @Npars01 @cstross

                              I don't understand why nearly every science fiction author is opposed to the most science fiction technology in decades

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                              @a @Npars01 Because we can see the second-order consequences and they are going to be *brutal*. (Also, the current AI stuff is basically marketing hype by right-wing investors like a16z looking to steal pension funds and loot stable businesses, and the mind uploading hype is from born-again Xtians who can't quite believe in Jesus any more so they want a less implausible, technological replacement.)

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                                @passenger @a @Npars01 For a more nuanced explanation, there's this talk I gave at a conference in 2023 (later turned into an op-ed in Scientific American): https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2023/11/dont-create-the-torment-nexus.html

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                                  @Npars01 @cstross

                                  I don't understand why nearly every science fiction author is opposed to the most science fiction technology in decades

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                                  @a @Npars01 @cstross because science fiction isn’t actually about cool gadgets, but about how people deal with technology and each other. It also helps that the current thing is a fiction itself and not an actual transformative technology.

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                                    @davidgerard Well yes, but that still does not fill me with confidence in their ability to fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

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                                      @passenger @a @Npars01 For a more nuanced explanation, there's this talk I gave at a conference in 2023 (later turned into an op-ed in Scientific American): https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2023/11/dont-create-the-torment-nexus.html

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                                      @cstross @passenger @a @Npars01 “it sells cars to customers who think it means they can relax and watch a movie while they commute” leaving aside some deeper issues, we already have technologies that allow you to watch a movie on your commute. They’re just futuristic and sexy: trains and buses.

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                                        @cstross @passenger @a @Npars01 “it sells cars to customers who think it means they can relax and watch a movie while they commute” leaving aside some deeper issues, we already have technologies that allow you to watch a movie on your commute. They’re just futuristic and sexy: trains and buses.

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                                        @c0dec0dec0de @cstross @passenger @a @Npars01 That's basically why I'd want one. We took an annual road trip for a long time to visit my in-laws. It was about 12 hours driving each time. There is no equivalent bus or train because I'm in the US where you're lucky to have either within a hundred miles.

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                                          @c0dec0dec0de @cstross @passenger @a @Npars01 That's basically why I'd want one. We took an annual road trip for a long time to visit my in-laws. It was about 12 hours driving each time. There is no equivalent bus or train because I'm in the US where you're lucky to have either within a hundred miles.

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                                          @gooba42 underlying/deeper issues in previous toot was meant to avoid talking about suburbanization and car-culture making the proliferation of railways in the US both difficult and a political poison pill for a number of large donor industries, cars only being the most obvious.
                                          @cstross @passenger @a @Npars01

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