The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/
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@datarama @Lemmus @cstross It depends, it's all built on a massive amount of subsidies, and even then, it looks like it's already doing more damage than even the slop pushers are willing to tolerate (although they're still in denial).
I wouldn't be surprised if it goes the way you say, but also not if this ends blowing up in their faces.
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@datarama @Lemmus @cstross It depends, it's all built on a massive amount of subsidies, and even then, it looks like it's already doing more damage than even the slop pushers are willing to tolerate (although they're still in denial).
I wouldn't be surprised if it goes the way you say, but also not if this ends blowing up in their faces.
@ainmosni @Lemmus @cstross I really don't know. And that scares me, to be honest. The slop machines got a lot better than I thought they would, and also they improved faster than I thought they would.
Software dev is basically the only thing I can do, so if the entire field does get steamrolled by AI, I'm pretty screwed.
But hey: *Usually* the smart money isn't on the very worried guy who happens to have a clinical anxiety disorder or two being right. I could well be wrong!
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@cstross This is how they get us.
Writers would never use AI-generated slop writing, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop imagery.
Artists would never use AI-generated slop imagery, but they'll happily display art to AI-generated slop music.
Musicians would never use AI-generated slop music, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop writing for lyrics.(And nobody cares about AI-generated slop code.)
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The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/
@cstross
AI has shown us one thing. We vastly underestimate the complexity, skill and creativity behind *other* people's work. It's never our work that AI can replace only those minor things other people do. -
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@toerror @ainmosni @datarama This is new this century. I think things were rather different in the 20th century, changing significantly from the early 1970s through to the late 1990s. The new finance focus has really taken root since 2008. (Which was, oh, 18 years ago, so a generation. /me: old now.)
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@cstross This is how they get us.
Writers would never use AI-generated slop writing, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop imagery.
Artists would never use AI-generated slop imagery, but they'll happily display art to AI-generated slop music.
Musicians would never use AI-generated slop music, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop writing for lyrics.(And nobody cares about AI-generated slop code.)
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@ainmosni @Lemmus @cstross I really don't know. And that scares me, to be honest. The slop machines got a lot better than I thought they would, and also they improved faster than I thought they would.
Software dev is basically the only thing I can do, so if the entire field does get steamrolled by AI, I'm pretty screwed.
But hey: *Usually* the smart money isn't on the very worried guy who happens to have a clinical anxiety disorder or two being right. I could well be wrong!
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@cstross
AI has shown us one thing. We vastly underestimate the complexity, skill and creativity behind *other* people's work. It's never our work that AI can replace only those minor things other people do.@holothuroid @cstross Ayuuuuuuuup.
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@ainmosni @Lemmus @cstross I really don't know. And that scares me, to be honest. The slop machines got a lot better than I thought they would, and also they improved faster than I thought they would.
Software dev is basically the only thing I can do, so if the entire field does get steamrolled by AI, I'm pretty screwed.
But hey: *Usually* the smart money isn't on the very worried guy who happens to have a clinical anxiety disorder or two being right. I could well be wrong!
@datarama @ainmosni @Lemmus @cstross The argument of “it’s bad at its job” is always the weakest argument because we went from nightmare fuel image gen to telling grok to make someone nude in just a couple years.
The way the Gen AI was trained and the economic and psychological impact are the arguments that won’t go away, and are what I try to focus on when discussing it.
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@datarama @ainmosni @Lemmus @cstross The argument of “it’s bad at its job” is always the weakest argument because we went from nightmare fuel image gen to telling grok to make someone nude in just a couple years.
The way the Gen AI was trained and the economic and psychological impact are the arguments that won’t go away, and are what I try to focus on when discussing it.
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@cstross This is how they get us.
Writers would never use AI-generated slop writing, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop imagery.
Artists would never use AI-generated slop imagery, but they'll happily display art to AI-generated slop music.
Musicians would never use AI-generated slop music, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop writing for lyrics.(And nobody cares about AI-generated slop code.)
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I have seen firsthand how programmers get actively deskilled with slop code.
People I respected stopped being able to explain and justify the changes they pushed.
Because they did not remember. Because they did not write it.ANYWAYS
"Ecommerce giant says there has been a ‘trend of incidents’ linked to ‘Gen-AI assisted changes’"
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@cstross This is how they get us.
Writers would never use AI-generated slop writing, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop imagery.
Artists would never use AI-generated slop imagery, but they'll happily display art to AI-generated slop music.
Musicians would never use AI-generated slop music, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop writing for lyrics.(And nobody cares about AI-generated slop code.)
@datarama @cstross It’s depressingly Pastor Niemöller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came).
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@cstross This is how they get us.
Writers would never use AI-generated slop writing, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop imagery.
Artists would never use AI-generated slop imagery, but they'll happily display art to AI-generated slop music.
Musicians would never use AI-generated slop music, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop writing for lyrics.(And nobody cares about AI-generated slop code.)
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@Hareguizer @cstross That's me, I guess. I make software for a living, but I also used to draw (and make pixel art), play a couple of musical instruments, and write (bad) short fiction.
This is wonderful! It means that living in 2026 is a giant pile of unending disgust.
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Really looking forward to the AI bubble bursting.
AI will hurt the economy before it helps it. Here’s what comes after, according to Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz | Fortune
The short-term pain is real, and we are not ready for it. The long-term picture, Stiglitz argues, is something else entirely.
Fortune (fortune.com)
https://archive.is/t1Z5l
https://www.ft.com/content/a4c4dcf8-7a73-4912-9739-c94714985bfd
The AI bubble will pop. It’s up to us to replace it responsibly | Mark Surman
When bubbles burst, what comes next can be better, if we build it differently
the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)
Blinking New Warning Sign Appears for AI Industry
Fears over an AI bubble continue to grow as analysts warn that companies are massively overinvesting, according to a new survey.
Futurism (futurism.com)
AI companies will fail. We can salvage something from the wreckage | Cory Doctorow
AI is asbestos in the walls of our tech society, stuffed there by monopolists run amok. A serious fight against it must strike at its roots
the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)
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Elon Musk’s Government Legacy Was Enacting Project 2025. His Ties Go Back Years.
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DeSmog (www.desmog.com)
Science fiction authors may be into systems thinking; the kind of thinking that predicts the consequences of a hyped up, error prone product designed to wastefully burn fossil fuels to keep oil oligarchs rich.
AI is a product accelerating an ecocide.
The same folks who funded 9/11 & the Jan 6 coup attempt
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/27/technology/saudi-arabia-ai-exporter.html1/