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  3. I guess Bluesky announced an AI tool for building feeds today and the locals are uhhh not having it.

I guess Bluesky announced an AI tool for building feeds today and the locals are uhhh not having it.

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  • M muddle@infosec.exchange

    @mttaggart

    AI has begun to reshape every part of our digital experience. I keep coming back to Kranzberg’s first law of technology: “Technology is neither good nor bad; nor is it neutral.” Its impact depends on how it’s used, by whom, and for what.

    It's the same sort of misreading of Audre Lorde that Cory Doctorow makes, isn't it? Except with much more vagueness.

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    @mttaggart it's all post-truth with these guys, isn't it?

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    • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

      I guess Bluesky announced an AI tool for building feeds today and the locals are uhhh not having it.

      The responses to Jay Graber's announcement post are almost universally negative.

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        @AAKL I don't think this just got spun up since 9 March. My guess is their developers have been working on this since before Graber's move. Its purpose is also in keeping with their ATProto roadmap. Problem is, Bluesky users (mostly) don't care a whit about ATProto. They want an edit button and better moderation.

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          @AAKL I don't think this just got spun up since 9 March. My guess is their developers have been working on this since before Graber's move. Its purpose is also in keeping with their ATProto roadmap. Problem is, Bluesky users (mostly) don't care a whit about ATProto. They want an edit button and better moderation.

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            @AAKL That is not what this is. Plenty of folks have deployed agents to Bluesky, and they recently added a robot badge to identify them. Attie is a different thing.

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              @AAKL That is not what this is. Plenty of folks have deployed agents to Bluesky, and they recently added a robot badge to identify them. Attie is a different thing.

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                @AAKL @mttaggart There have been a lot of interest from different companies towards collecting data from Bluesky, because it gives direct data feeds for people to collect. That fits well for GenAI companies as a data source for model training. Even while social media data itself is not that good for improving language quality of models, there are a lot of posts giving data for other use cases.

                CTO of Bluesky previously wrote that AT Protocol is “Designed to be collected by anybody. It's an open public system.” https://bsky.app/profile/pfrazee.com/post/3lwcgf43ers2z

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                  @AAKL @mttaggart There have been a lot of interest from different companies towards collecting data from Bluesky, because it gives direct data feeds for people to collect. That fits well for GenAI companies as a data source for model training. Even while social media data itself is not that good for improving language quality of models, there are a lot of posts giving data for other use cases.

                  CTO of Bluesky previously wrote that AT Protocol is “Designed to be collected by anybody. It's an open public system.” https://bsky.app/profile/pfrazee.com/post/3lwcgf43ers2z

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                  @autiomaa @AAKL So, I think there's some misunderstanding about what "feed" means in this context. A "feed" such as the type Attie would create is a user-selectable filter or algorithm of Bluesky (or other ATProto applications, in theory) posts. It's entirely user-selectable and can be unselected at any time.

                  However, you are correct that ATProto data is public by default. Clearsky demonstrates this well. Anyone can see whom anyone has blocked or muted, and of course anyone, including blocked users, can see someone's content with a tool like pdsls.

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                    @autiomaa @AAKL So, I think there's some misunderstanding about what "feed" means in this context. A "feed" such as the type Attie would create is a user-selectable filter or algorithm of Bluesky (or other ATProto applications, in theory) posts. It's entirely user-selectable and can be unselected at any time.

                    However, you are correct that ATProto data is public by default. Clearsky demonstrates this well. Anyone can see whom anyone has blocked or muted, and of course anyone, including blocked users, can see someone's content with a tool like pdsls.

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                    @mttaggart @AAKL As a feed builder tool, some kind of automated toolkit would make things easier for regular Bluesky users. But most are rightly worried about what else their posts are used for. Sadly most have not realized how openly their posts are already broadcasted and distributed.

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                      @mttaggart @AAKL As a feed builder tool, some kind of automated toolkit would make things easier for regular Bluesky users. But most are rightly worried about what else their posts are used for. Sadly most have not realized how openly their posts are already broadcasted and distributed.

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                      @autiomaa @mttaggart

                      "For creators and publishers, this could open up new ways of reaching audiences. Feeds could become more transparent, with users knowing exactly what a timeline is optimized for" https://yourstory.com/ai-story/bluesky-attie-vibe-code-custom-feed

                      The trademark for Attie was submitted on March 9, which corroborates the point that it had been in development .

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                        @autiomaa @mttaggart

                        "For creators and publishers, this could open up new ways of reaching audiences. Feeds could become more transparent, with users knowing exactly what a timeline is optimized for" https://yourstory.com/ai-story/bluesky-attie-vibe-code-custom-feed

                        The trademark for Attie was submitted on March 9, which corroborates the point that it had been in development .

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                        @AAKL @autiomaa Let's be super clear here:

                        Feeds. Are. Good. They are ways to customize the way users interact with Bluesky and ATProto content.

                        The objections are twofold here. First, a general objection to generative AI in all its forms. Second, a focus on tools like this (i.e. "More AI slop") in lieu of core functionality in Bluesky itself that users have been requesting for ages. It turns out "developers developers developers" is not a super popular strategy with end users who are already unhappy.

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