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You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

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  • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

    You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

    terminhell@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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    #56

    @beyondmachines1 Is the tech useful in some places/needs. Yes of course. Is it the hype it's been sold as? Not even close. I don't think we'll achieve AGI until new forms of power production come along that can scale with this.

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    • nachtet@norden.socialN nachtet@norden.social

      @beyondmachines1 The costs are higher?? What was the advantage again? 🤔

      falcennial@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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      #57

      @nachtet @beyondmachines1 the "advantage" that captures them, as I understand it, is their desperate, manic clutching for the feeling of attaining "special boy" social status by participating in popular fads. the desire to feel those "special boy" feelings blinded them to reason as it always has, does, and will do. because the underdeveloped, naive, privilege-fucked manchildren in question live for social status.

      wonder if they might be rehabilitated via the same mechanism? maybe not 😂

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      • nachtet@norden.socialN nachtet@norden.social

        @beyondmachines1 The costs are higher?? What was the advantage again? 🤔

        starkrg@myside-yourside.netS This user is from outside of this forum
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        #58

        @nachtet @beyondmachines1 See my comment here: https://myside-yourside.net/@StarkRG/116662678562271725

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        • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

          You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

          capnthommo@c.imC This user is from outside of this forum
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          @beyondmachines1 Satan is sitting, meanwhile, on his throne in hell cursing every demon in thrall to him because they didn't come up with this plan first.

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          • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

            You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

            foolishowl@social.coopF This user is from outside of this forum
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            #60

            @beyondmachines1 Marx said that class struggle ends with the victory of the rising class, or the mutual ruin of the contending classes.

            There is a third possible outcome: the ruling class succeeds in defeating the producing class, not understanding that the entire system was based on the ruling class wrecking things and the producing class repairing the damage and improving things in the process.

            With the producing class defeated, the wrecking accelerates.

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            • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

              You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

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              #61

              @beyondmachines1
              The purpose given to ai was to disrupt society, in a kind of 'Tabula Rasa', that would leave only a handful of men (and their servants) alive.

              Until all the women are dead.

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              • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

                ptr_k@dice.campP This user is from outside of this forum
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                #62

                @beyondmachines1
                Maybe my brain is just focused on body horror today, but I think I'm going to have this unintended phrase in the back of my mind every time LLMs come up.

                #LLMs #AI

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                • elhadjimurad@beige.partyE elhadjimurad@beige.party

                  @chantaryu2 @beyondmachines1 They definitely turned it on for the reason that guy said - get people using it, screw everyone later. Atlassian was once the cheeky outsider and is now as bad as all the rest, imo. Like, in August they are going to start scraping their customers' data for AI training. They promised they wouldn't, but now they are. You can maybe opt out of some of it, but it depends on which version $$$ you're using. Enshittification at its finest.

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                  @ElHadjiMurad @beyondmachines1 I wasn't giving kudos to Atlassian. Just pointing out that in some companies, there are still people with critical thinking who won't suck up to any random shit because it has AI in the name. This incident also made me aware of Jira automation and I am pretty happy about that.

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                  • nachtet@norden.socialN nachtet@norden.social

                    @beyondmachines1 The costs are higher?? What was the advantage again? 🤔

                    benaveling@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #64

                    The advantage is that the machine always tells you that you are brilliant.
                    @nachtet @beyondmachines1

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                    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange shared this topic
                    • toriver@mas.toT toriver@mas.to

                      @fightscore @beyondmachines1 Real AI sure, but the stochastic parrot LLMs not so much. I used to call them "machine lying" but lying requires knowledge of true and false and LLMs do not have that.

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                      @toriver @fightscore @beyondmachines1 LLMs do have an economic use, it’s just the use they’re good for is a societal negative: they’re really, really good for the spam industry and for fraudsters. No coincidence many of the companies pushing them are effectively advertising companies.

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                      • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                        You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

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                        @beyondmachines1 "Los directores ejecutivos se están dando cuenta, en silencio, de que el plan de sustitución por IA tiene un problema.

                        Dos problemas, en realidad.

                        Uno: los costos de los tokens necesarios para ejecutar los agentes de IA ahora superan lo que pagaban a los empleados que despidieron.

                        Dos: cuando se agotan los tokens, la IA se detiene. Simplemente se detiene. Sin continuidad. Sin solución alternativa. Solo un ícono girando donde antes estaba tu plantilla.
                        Despediste a personas para ahorrar dinero y compraste una suscripción que te deja acorralado.

                        Los empleados a los que despidiste sabían qué hacer cuando las cosas fallaban. La IA simplemente te cobra por la interrupción del servicio.

                        Y luego está el problema de los permisos del que nadie quiere hablar. Para hacer su trabajo, el agente de IA necesita acceso. Acceso total. Tus sistemas, tus patentes, tus contratos, tus planes futuros. Todo lo que pasaste años construyendo, entregado a un proceso que no tiene lealtad, ni discreción, ni nada que perder.

                        No contrataste a un sustituto.
                        Le diste a un extraño sin alma las llaves de todo lo que posees."

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                        • chantaryu2@pataterie.caC chantaryu2@pataterie.ca

                          @ElHadjiMurad @beyondmachines1 I wasn't giving kudos to Atlassian. Just pointing out that in some companies, there are still people with critical thinking who won't suck up to any random shit because it has AI in the name. This incident also made me aware of Jira automation and I am pretty happy about that.

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                          @chantaryu2 @beyondmachines1 Oups - sorry - I didn't intend the reply to be critical of you - I reworded it a bit.

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                          • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                            You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

                            a_lex_ander@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #68

                            @beyondmachines1 CEOs want to operate in states where they can terminate an employee without any prior notice. They tell us my country is doomed because here it's at least a 30 days period. CEOs are also signing prepaid two year AI contracts. I'm having a hard time understanding anything anymore.

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                            • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                              You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

                              november@app.wafrn.netN This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                              Why did this loser use an LLM to write this?

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                              • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                                You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

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                                @beyondmachines1 So it will be put in every smartphone on this planet.

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                                • foolishowl@social.coopF foolishowl@social.coop

                                  @beyondmachines1 Marx said that class struggle ends with the victory of the rising class, or the mutual ruin of the contending classes.

                                  There is a third possible outcome: the ruling class succeeds in defeating the producing class, not understanding that the entire system was based on the ruling class wrecking things and the producing class repairing the damage and improving things in the process.

                                  With the producing class defeated, the wrecking accelerates.

                                  wesdym@mastodon.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @foolishowl Yes, that would lead to mutual ruin -- the second result Marx specific. You're just describing a specific version of it.

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                                  • raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

                                    @beyondmachines1
                                    And maybe 40% of the time it's garbage, but plausible. Without the experts you fired, you don't know when it's wrong.

                                    So even if it was free, it would only really be a toy.

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                                    @raymaccarthy @beyondmachines1 s/it would only really be a toy/you would only really be a tool

                                    Edit : I misread the original so here is what I intended originally for the sentence to look like.

                                    #thereifixedyourtoot

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                                    • vive_levant@masto.bikeV vive_levant@masto.bike

                                      @raymaccarthy @beyondmachines1 s/it would only really be a toy/you would only really be a tool

                                      Edit : I misread the original so here is what I intended originally for the sentence to look like.

                                      #thereifixedyourtoot

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                                      @Vive_Levant @beyondmachines1
                                      I've used real, working computer tools professionally for decades and written them.
                                      Also computer toys. I know the difference.

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                                      • raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

                                        @Vive_Levant @beyondmachines1
                                        I've used real, working computer tools professionally for decades and written them.
                                        Also computer toys. I know the difference.

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                                        @raymaccarthy @beyondmachines1 you can check the two possibilities of the third meaning to get my point : https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tool

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                                        • vive_levant@masto.bikeV vive_levant@masto.bike

                                          @raymaccarthy @beyondmachines1 you can check the two possibilities of the third meaning to get my point : https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tool

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                                          @raymaccarthy @beyondmachines1 oups, my bad, I overlooked your sentence and was certain to have read « YOU would only really be a toy. »
                                          In this case my substitution worked, but you were right, with IT, it didn’t. Apologies.

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