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You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

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  • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

    You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

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    @beyondmachines1
    Maybe my brain is just focused on body horror today, but I think I'm going to have this unintended phrase in the back of my mind every time LLMs come up.

    #LLMs #AI

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    • elhadjimurad@beige.partyE elhadjimurad@beige.party

      @chantaryu2 @beyondmachines1 They definitely turned it on for the reason that guy said - get people using it, screw everyone later. Atlassian was once the cheeky outsider and is now as bad as all the rest, imo. Like, in August they are going to start scraping their customers' data for AI training. They promised they wouldn't, but now they are. You can maybe opt out of some of it, but it depends on which version $$$ you're using. Enshittification at its finest.

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      @ElHadjiMurad @beyondmachines1 I wasn't giving kudos to Atlassian. Just pointing out that in some companies, there are still people with critical thinking who won't suck up to any random shit because it has AI in the name. This incident also made me aware of Jira automation and I am pretty happy about that.

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      • nachtet@norden.socialN nachtet@norden.social

        @beyondmachines1 The costs are higher?? What was the advantage again? 🤔

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        The advantage is that the machine always tells you that you are brilliant.
        @nachtet @beyondmachines1

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        • toriver@mas.toT toriver@mas.to

          @fightscore @beyondmachines1 Real AI sure, but the stochastic parrot LLMs not so much. I used to call them "machine lying" but lying requires knowledge of true and false and LLMs do not have that.

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          @toriver @fightscore @beyondmachines1 LLMs do have an economic use, it’s just the use they’re good for is a societal negative: they’re really, really good for the spam industry and for fraudsters. No coincidence many of the companies pushing them are effectively advertising companies.

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          • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

            You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

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            @beyondmachines1 "Los directores ejecutivos se están dando cuenta, en silencio, de que el plan de sustitución por IA tiene un problema.

            Dos problemas, en realidad.

            Uno: los costos de los tokens necesarios para ejecutar los agentes de IA ahora superan lo que pagaban a los empleados que despidieron.

            Dos: cuando se agotan los tokens, la IA se detiene. Simplemente se detiene. Sin continuidad. Sin solución alternativa. Solo un ícono girando donde antes estaba tu plantilla.
            Despediste a personas para ahorrar dinero y compraste una suscripción que te deja acorralado.

            Los empleados a los que despidiste sabían qué hacer cuando las cosas fallaban. La IA simplemente te cobra por la interrupción del servicio.

            Y luego está el problema de los permisos del que nadie quiere hablar. Para hacer su trabajo, el agente de IA necesita acceso. Acceso total. Tus sistemas, tus patentes, tus contratos, tus planes futuros. Todo lo que pasaste años construyendo, entregado a un proceso que no tiene lealtad, ni discreción, ni nada que perder.

            No contrataste a un sustituto.
            Le diste a un extraño sin alma las llaves de todo lo que posees."

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            • chantaryu2@pataterie.caC chantaryu2@pataterie.ca

              @ElHadjiMurad @beyondmachines1 I wasn't giving kudos to Atlassian. Just pointing out that in some companies, there are still people with critical thinking who won't suck up to any random shit because it has AI in the name. This incident also made me aware of Jira automation and I am pretty happy about that.

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              @chantaryu2 @beyondmachines1 Oups - sorry - I didn't intend the reply to be critical of you - I reworded it a bit.

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              • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

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                @beyondmachines1 CEOs want to operate in states where they can terminate an employee without any prior notice. They tell us my country is doomed because here it's at least a 30 days period. CEOs are also signing prepaid two year AI contracts. I'm having a hard time understanding anything anymore.

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                • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                  You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

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                  @beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                  Why did this loser use an LLM to write this?

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                  • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                    You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

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                    @beyondmachines1 So it will be put in every smartphone on this planet.

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                    • foolishowl@social.coopF foolishowl@social.coop

                      @beyondmachines1 Marx said that class struggle ends with the victory of the rising class, or the mutual ruin of the contending classes.

                      There is a third possible outcome: the ruling class succeeds in defeating the producing class, not understanding that the entire system was based on the ruling class wrecking things and the producing class repairing the damage and improving things in the process.

                      With the producing class defeated, the wrecking accelerates.

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                      @foolishowl Yes, that would lead to mutual ruin -- the second result Marx specific. You're just describing a specific version of it.

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                      • raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

                        @beyondmachines1
                        And maybe 40% of the time it's garbage, but plausible. Without the experts you fired, you don't know when it's wrong.

                        So even if it was free, it would only really be a toy.

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                        @raymaccarthy @beyondmachines1 s/it would only really be a toy/you would only really be a tool

                        Edit : I misread the original so here is what I intended originally for the sentence to look like.

                        #thereifixedyourtoot

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                        • vive_levant@masto.bikeV vive_levant@masto.bike

                          @raymaccarthy @beyondmachines1 s/it would only really be a toy/you would only really be a tool

                          Edit : I misread the original so here is what I intended originally for the sentence to look like.

                          #thereifixedyourtoot

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                          @Vive_Levant @beyondmachines1
                          I've used real, working computer tools professionally for decades and written them.
                          Also computer toys. I know the difference.

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                          • raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

                            @Vive_Levant @beyondmachines1
                            I've used real, working computer tools professionally for decades and written them.
                            Also computer toys. I know the difference.

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                            @raymaccarthy @beyondmachines1 you can check the two possibilities of the third meaning to get my point : https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tool

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                            • vive_levant@masto.bikeV vive_levant@masto.bike

                              @raymaccarthy @beyondmachines1 you can check the two possibilities of the third meaning to get my point : https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tool

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                              @raymaccarthy @beyondmachines1 oups, my bad, I overlooked your sentence and was certain to have read « YOU would only really be a toy. »
                              In this case my substitution worked, but you were right, with IT, it didn’t. Apologies.

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                              • lastdinosaur@lastdinosaur.clubL lastdinosaur@lastdinosaur.club
                                @beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                                this isnt going to matter to any c suite retards until ai bankrupts a large company (which seems unlikely) and they start a trend of posting on linkedin about the problem.
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                                @lastdinosaur Mature adults don't use that word that way. You should know better.

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                                • fightscore@mastodon.socialF fightscore@mastodon.social

                                  @beyondmachines1 To be fair, AI has its use, right? Maybe the business model just got to be better, maybe token count might need tweaking -- maybe put weight to something like output value, rather than input/output count.
                                  To be sure, AI should not replace humans, rather augment us.

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                                  @fightscore There are things it's proven very good at, mostly things it's already been doing for some years. Protein-folding, for example.

                                  At the risk of discomforting some people, a good way to think about it is that AI tends to be good at things that autistic people are -- monotonous scanning, counting, etc. -- but has essentially perfect memory compared to humans, and far more powerful computational capacity. So it's good at things that require those tasks.

                                  But not most other stuff.

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                                  • kepeken@mastodon.gamedev.placeK kepeken@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                    @beyondmachines1 Why are so many of these anti-ai posts so obviously written by an LLM?

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                                    @kepeken What gives you that impression? Please don't tell me that you're one of those people who confuses competent literacy with fakery.

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                                    • elhadjimurad@beige.partyE elhadjimurad@beige.party

                                      @chantaryu2 @beyondmachines1 Oups - sorry - I didn't intend the reply to be critical of you - I reworded it a bit.

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                                      @ElHadjiMurad @beyondmachines1 no worries 😃

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                                      • ptr_k@dice.campP ptr_k@dice.camp

                                        @beyondmachines1
                                        Maybe my brain is just focused on body horror today, but I think I'm going to have this unintended phrase in the back of my mind every time LLMs come up.

                                        #LLMs #AI

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                                        @PTR_K sorry about that.

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                                        • capnthommo@c.imC capnthommo@c.im

                                          @beyondmachines1 Satan is sitting, meanwhile, on his throne in hell cursing every demon in thrall to him because they didn't come up with this plan first.

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                                          @capnthommo not sure. Don't stop your enemy when they are making a mistake still stands.

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