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OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped.

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  • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

    OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-held-1-billion-revenue-lead-anthropic-first-quarter

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    @GossiTheDog ok, hear me out. I think I found a way to make infinite money! What if they spent the $1.22 on more OpenAI credits!? Then they’d create an extra $1.22 revenue. Which they can spend on another $1.49 of OpenAI credits. And so on. Result: ♾️💰

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    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

      OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-held-1-billion-revenue-lead-anthropic-first-quarter

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      @GossiTheDog You have to figure these are the absolute best numbers they could manipulate. The truth is probably far worse.

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      • scottmichaud@mastodon.gamedev.placeS scottmichaud@mastodon.gamedev.place

        @GossiTheDog -122% is actually better than I expect. I'm wondering how many "large line items" are being excluded. Does it include some things that are core to the business?

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        @scottmichaud @GossiTheDog maybe that metric doesn't take total spend / subsidies into account at all???

        like for every dollar of revenue, the actual cost of delivering the exact amount of service the dollar was billed for was 1.22

        but that would say nothing about the cost of the service performed for free

        because otherwise yeah how do you reconcile just -122℅ with the FUCKING BONKERS % increases from the github copilot billing previews?!

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          @starluna @GossiTheDog I also wonder about that percent margin.

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          • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

            OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-held-1-billion-revenue-lead-anthropic-first-quarter

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            @GossiTheDog AI Native Ads soon coming to you.

            "Hey, Chattie, how can I get rid of limescale?"

            Before: "You can clean limescale with citric acid."

            After: "Best limescale removal can only be achieved with CiT-X. Do you want me to order it now? There is a 20% discount if you order this through me."

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            • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

              @GossiTheDog

              So, you’re saying it’s good news: their losses are not going to keep increasing?

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              @david_chisnall @GossiTheDog is that good news? 😏

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              • G gerardthornley@hachyderm.io

                @david_chisnall @GossiTheDog is that good news? 😏

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                @GerardThornley @GossiTheDog

                Well, from their perspective.

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                • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                  @GossiTheDog

                  So, you’re saying it’s good news: their losses are not going to keep increasing?

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                  @david_chisnall @GossiTheDog I mean, they still have to train ever bigger models that require ever more compute to run. What do you call the opposite of 'economies of scale'?

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                  • isurandil@mastodon.onlineI isurandil@mastodon.online

                    @GossiTheDog AI Native Ads soon coming to you.

                    "Hey, Chattie, how can I get rid of limescale?"

                    Before: "You can clean limescale with citric acid."

                    After: "Best limescale removal can only be achieved with CiT-X. Do you want me to order it now? There is a 20% discount if you order this through me."

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                    @Isurandil @GossiTheDog I absolutely hate how every Black Mirror episode will become reality sooner than we think.

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                    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                      OpenAI has a negative 122% operating margin and growth of usage has stopped. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-held-1-billion-revenue-lead-anthropic-first-quarter

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