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If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

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  • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

    If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

    jiub@not.an.evilcyberhacker.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    @catsalad@infosec.exchange that's why i have triple NAT ​​

    CG-NAT
    NAT in the shitty ISP modem/router
    NAT in my own router

    no way to open up ports anyway on this ISP anyway so i'm not really losing anything

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    • jiub@not.an.evilcyberhacker.netJ jiub@not.an.evilcyberhacker.net

      @catsalad@infosec.exchange that's why i have triple NAT ​​

      CG-NAT
      NAT in the shitty ISP modem/router
      NAT in my own router

      no way to open up ports anyway on this ISP anyway so i'm not really losing anything

      dazo@infosec.exchangeD This user is from outside of this forum
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      @jiub @catsalad That's what VPS+VPN is for ... To circumvent lousy ISP limitations.

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      • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

        If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

        me@aron.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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        @catsalad If reverse proxy is security.... Actually maybe that would be double? Hmmmm 🤔

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        • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

          If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

          guillaumerossolini@infosec.exchangeG This user is from outside of this forum
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          @catsalad it isn’t exponential?

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          • dazo@infosec.exchangeD dazo@infosec.exchange

            @jiub @catsalad That's what VPS+VPN is for ... To circumvent lousy ISP limitations.

            jiub@not.an.evilcyberhacker.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            @dazo@infosec.exchange @catsalad@infosec.exchange indeed, i forward my server's ssh port to a vps using autossh so i can easily log in remotely and access everything on the lan from there

            i don't mind accessing things in an ad hoc manner so i haven't bothered with a full vpn yet

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            • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

              If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

              theorangetheme@en.osm.townT This user is from outside of this forum
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              @catsalad More hairpins in my NAT than a drag queen's wig. 💅🏽

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              • ij@nerdculture.deI ij@nerdculture.de

                @catsalad if ROT13 is encryption, double ROT13 must be double encryption!

                😁

                chronovore@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
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                @ij @catsalad actually... recent advances in processing has made double ROT13 trivially defeatable. NIST now recommends quadruple ROT13.

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                • chronovore@infosec.exchangeC chronovore@infosec.exchange

                  @ij @catsalad actually... recent advances in processing has made double ROT13 trivially defeatable. NIST now recommends quadruple ROT13.

                  ij@nerdculture.deI This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @chronovore Wasn't that recommendation Double-ROT26 instead?

                  @catsalad

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                  • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                    If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

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                    • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                      If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

                      toasterson@chaos.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @catsalad From 2FAto 2FNAT? To 12 Factor NAT?

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                      • ij@nerdculture.deI ij@nerdculture.de

                        @chronovore Wasn't that recommendation Double-ROT26 instead?

                        @catsalad

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                        @ij @catsalad Fair play. I've been beat at my own game. Your mastery of bad advice is commendable (dubious honor I know, but an honor nonetheless)

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                        • ij@nerdculture.deI ij@nerdculture.de

                          @chronovore Wasn't that recommendation Double-ROT26 instead?

                          @catsalad

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                          @chronovore You know... the 13 in ROT13 stands for v1, 3rd grade encryption. So the improved version is v2, 6th grade encryption, hence: ROT26 of the Rorschach-Ohm-Tyson algorithm...

                          @catsalad

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                          • chronovore@infosec.exchangeC chronovore@infosec.exchange

                            @ij @catsalad Fair play. I've been beat at my own game. Your mastery of bad advice is commendable (dubious honor I know, but an honor nonetheless)

                            ij@nerdculture.deI This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @chronovore Oh, maybe I should add this to my CV: Master of Bad Advice.

                            Maybe not. Hmmm... 😉

                            @catsalad

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                            • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                              If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

                              cinebox@masto.hackers.townC This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @catsalad good luck, I’m behind seven NATs

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                              • ij@nerdculture.deI ij@nerdculture.de

                                @catsalad if ROT13 is encryption, double ROT13 must be double encryption!

                                😁

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                                @ij @catsalad
                                Hear me out: 13 rounds of ROT13

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                                • jiub@not.an.evilcyberhacker.netJ jiub@not.an.evilcyberhacker.net

                                  @catsalad@infosec.exchange that's why i have triple NAT ​​

                                  CG-NAT
                                  NAT in the shitty ISP modem/router
                                  NAT in my own router

                                  no way to open up ports anyway on this ISP anyway so i'm not really losing anything

                                  badsamurai@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @jiub @catsalad

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                                  • ij@nerdculture.deI ij@nerdculture.de

                                    @catsalad if ROT13 is encryption, double ROT13 must be double encryption!

                                    😁

                                    m3t00@app.wafrn.netM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    if i'm not mistaken, https is end-to-end encryption for everything already.

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                                    • ij@nerdculture.deI ij@nerdculture.de

                                      @catsalad if ROT13 is encryption, double ROT13 must be double encryption!

                                      😁

                                      infoseclogger@infosec.exchangeI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @ij @catsalad

                                      Save the cycles and just ROT26 out the gate.

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                                      • badsamurai@infosec.exchangeB badsamurai@infosec.exchange

                                        @jiub @catsalad

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                                        @badsamurai @jiub 3 Extra Natties!

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