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If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

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  • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

    If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

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    @catsalad@infosec.exchange I Nat all the time

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    • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

      If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

      jiub@not.an.evilcyberhacker.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      @catsalad@infosec.exchange that's why i have triple NAT ​​

      CG-NAT
      NAT in the shitty ISP modem/router
      NAT in my own router

      no way to open up ports anyway on this ISP anyway so i'm not really losing anything

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      • jiub@not.an.evilcyberhacker.netJ jiub@not.an.evilcyberhacker.net

        @catsalad@infosec.exchange that's why i have triple NAT ​​

        CG-NAT
        NAT in the shitty ISP modem/router
        NAT in my own router

        no way to open up ports anyway on this ISP anyway so i'm not really losing anything

        dazo@infosec.exchangeD This user is from outside of this forum
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        @jiub @catsalad That's what VPS+VPN is for ... To circumvent lousy ISP limitations.

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        • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

          If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

          me@aron.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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          @catsalad If reverse proxy is security.... Actually maybe that would be double? Hmmmm 🤔

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          • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

            If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

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            @catsalad it isn’t exponential?

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            • dazo@infosec.exchangeD dazo@infosec.exchange

              @jiub @catsalad That's what VPS+VPN is for ... To circumvent lousy ISP limitations.

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              @dazo@infosec.exchange @catsalad@infosec.exchange indeed, i forward my server's ssh port to a vps using autossh so i can easily log in remotely and access everything on the lan from there

              i don't mind accessing things in an ad hoc manner so i haven't bothered with a full vpn yet

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              • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

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                @catsalad More hairpins in my NAT than a drag queen's wig. 💅🏽

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                • ij@nerdculture.deI ij@nerdculture.de

                  @catsalad if ROT13 is encryption, double ROT13 must be double encryption!

                  😁

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                  @ij @catsalad actually... recent advances in processing has made double ROT13 trivially defeatable. NIST now recommends quadruple ROT13.

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                  • chronovore@infosec.exchangeC chronovore@infosec.exchange

                    @ij @catsalad actually... recent advances in processing has made double ROT13 trivially defeatable. NIST now recommends quadruple ROT13.

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                    @chronovore Wasn't that recommendation Double-ROT26 instead?

                    @catsalad

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                    • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                      If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

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                      • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                        If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

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                        @catsalad From 2FAto 2FNAT? To 12 Factor NAT?

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                        • ij@nerdculture.deI ij@nerdculture.de

                          @chronovore Wasn't that recommendation Double-ROT26 instead?

                          @catsalad

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                          @ij @catsalad Fair play. I've been beat at my own game. Your mastery of bad advice is commendable (dubious honor I know, but an honor nonetheless)

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                          • ij@nerdculture.deI ij@nerdculture.de

                            @chronovore Wasn't that recommendation Double-ROT26 instead?

                            @catsalad

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                            @chronovore You know... the 13 in ROT13 stands for v1, 3rd grade encryption. So the improved version is v2, 6th grade encryption, hence: ROT26 of the Rorschach-Ohm-Tyson algorithm...

                            @catsalad

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                            • chronovore@infosec.exchangeC chronovore@infosec.exchange

                              @ij @catsalad Fair play. I've been beat at my own game. Your mastery of bad advice is commendable (dubious honor I know, but an honor nonetheless)

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                              @chronovore Oh, maybe I should add this to my CV: Master of Bad Advice.

                              Maybe not. Hmmm... 😉

                              @catsalad

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                              • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                                If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

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                                @catsalad good luck, I’m behind seven NATs

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                                • ij@nerdculture.deI ij@nerdculture.de

                                  @catsalad if ROT13 is encryption, double ROT13 must be double encryption!

                                  😁

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                                  @ij @catsalad
                                  Hear me out: 13 rounds of ROT13

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                                  • jiub@not.an.evilcyberhacker.netJ jiub@not.an.evilcyberhacker.net

                                    @catsalad@infosec.exchange that's why i have triple NAT ​​

                                    CG-NAT
                                    NAT in the shitty ISP modem/router
                                    NAT in my own router

                                    no way to open up ports anyway on this ISP anyway so i'm not really losing anything

                                    badsamurai@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @jiub @catsalad

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                                    • ij@nerdculture.deI ij@nerdculture.de

                                      @catsalad if ROT13 is encryption, double ROT13 must be double encryption!

                                      😁

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                                      if i'm not mistaken, https is end-to-end encryption for everything already.

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                                      • ij@nerdculture.deI ij@nerdculture.de

                                        @catsalad if ROT13 is encryption, double ROT13 must be double encryption!

                                        😁

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                                        @ij @catsalad

                                        Save the cycles and just ROT26 out the gate.

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                                        • badsamurai@infosec.exchangeB badsamurai@infosec.exchange

                                          @jiub @catsalad

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                                          @badsamurai @jiub 3 Extra Natties!

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