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If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

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  • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

    If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

    ij@nerdculture.deI This user is from outside of this forum
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    @catsalad if ROT13 is encryption, double ROT13 must be double encryption!

    😁

    chronovore@infosec.exchangeC dcoderlt@ohai.socialD m3t00@app.wafrn.netM infoseclogger@infosec.exchangeI 4 Replies Last reply
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    • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

      If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

      killerqueenlena@transfem.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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      @catsalad@infosec.exchange I Nat all the time

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      • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

        If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

        jiub@not.an.evilcyberhacker.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
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        @catsalad@infosec.exchange that's why i have triple NAT ​​

        CG-NAT
        NAT in the shitty ISP modem/router
        NAT in my own router

        no way to open up ports anyway on this ISP anyway so i'm not really losing anything

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        • jiub@not.an.evilcyberhacker.netJ jiub@not.an.evilcyberhacker.net

          @catsalad@infosec.exchange that's why i have triple NAT ​​

          CG-NAT
          NAT in the shitty ISP modem/router
          NAT in my own router

          no way to open up ports anyway on this ISP anyway so i'm not really losing anything

          dazo@infosec.exchangeD This user is from outside of this forum
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          @jiub @catsalad That's what VPS+VPN is for ... To circumvent lousy ISP limitations.

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          • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

            If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

            me@aron.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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            @catsalad If reverse proxy is security.... Actually maybe that would be double? Hmmmm πŸ€”

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            • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

              If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

              guillaumerossolini@infosec.exchangeG This user is from outside of this forum
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              @catsalad it isn’t exponential?

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              • dazo@infosec.exchangeD dazo@infosec.exchange

                @jiub @catsalad That's what VPS+VPN is for ... To circumvent lousy ISP limitations.

                jiub@not.an.evilcyberhacker.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                @dazo@infosec.exchange @catsalad@infosec.exchange indeed, i forward my server's ssh port to a vps using autossh so i can easily log in remotely and access everything on the lan from there

                i don't mind accessing things in an ad hoc manner so i haven't bothered with a full vpn yet

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                • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                  If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

                  theorangetheme@en.osm.townT This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @catsalad More hairpins in my NAT than a drag queen's wig. πŸ’…πŸ½

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                  • ij@nerdculture.deI ij@nerdculture.de

                    @catsalad if ROT13 is encryption, double ROT13 must be double encryption!

                    😁

                    chronovore@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @ij @catsalad actually... recent advances in processing has made double ROT13 trivially defeatable. NIST now recommends quadruple ROT13.

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                    • chronovore@infosec.exchangeC chronovore@infosec.exchange

                      @ij @catsalad actually... recent advances in processing has made double ROT13 trivially defeatable. NIST now recommends quadruple ROT13.

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                      @chronovore Wasn't that recommendation Double-ROT26 instead?

                      @catsalad

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                      • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                        If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

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                        • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                          If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

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                          @catsalad From 2FAto 2FNAT? To 12 Factor NAT?

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                          • ij@nerdculture.deI ij@nerdculture.de

                            @chronovore Wasn't that recommendation Double-ROT26 instead?

                            @catsalad

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                            @ij @catsalad Fair play. I've been beat at my own game. Your mastery of bad advice is commendable (dubious honor I know, but an honor nonetheless)

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                            • ij@nerdculture.deI ij@nerdculture.de

                              @chronovore Wasn't that recommendation Double-ROT26 instead?

                              @catsalad

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                              @chronovore You know... the 13 in ROT13 stands for v1, 3rd grade encryption. So the improved version is v2, 6th grade encryption, hence: ROT26 of the Rorschach-Ohm-Tyson algorithm...

                              @catsalad

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                              • chronovore@infosec.exchangeC chronovore@infosec.exchange

                                @ij @catsalad Fair play. I've been beat at my own game. Your mastery of bad advice is commendable (dubious honor I know, but an honor nonetheless)

                                ij@nerdculture.deI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @chronovore Oh, maybe I should add this to my CV: Master of Bad Advice.

                                Maybe not. Hmmm... πŸ˜‰

                                @catsalad

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                                • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                                  If NAT is security, double NAT must be double security!

                                  cinebox@masto.hackers.townC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @catsalad good luck, I’m behind seven NATs

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                                  • ij@nerdculture.deI ij@nerdculture.de

                                    @catsalad if ROT13 is encryption, double ROT13 must be double encryption!

                                    😁

                                    dcoderlt@ohai.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @ij @catsalad
                                    Hear me out: 13 rounds of ROT13

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                                    • jiub@not.an.evilcyberhacker.netJ jiub@not.an.evilcyberhacker.net

                                      @catsalad@infosec.exchange that's why i have triple NAT ​​

                                      CG-NAT
                                      NAT in the shitty ISP modem/router
                                      NAT in my own router

                                      no way to open up ports anyway on this ISP anyway so i'm not really losing anything

                                      badsamurai@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @jiub @catsalad

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                                      • ij@nerdculture.deI ij@nerdculture.de

                                        @catsalad if ROT13 is encryption, double ROT13 must be double encryption!

                                        😁

                                        m3t00@app.wafrn.netM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        if i'm not mistaken, https is end-to-end encryption for everything already.

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                                        • ij@nerdculture.deI ij@nerdculture.de

                                          @catsalad if ROT13 is encryption, double ROT13 must be double encryption!

                                          😁

                                          infoseclogger@infosec.exchangeI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @ij @catsalad

                                          Save the cycles and just ROT26 out the gate.

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