Controversial opinion.
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@techsinger @NicksWorld @vol4life8657 @Kingslayer I mean, I don't think it's wrong to be emotionally attached to something that gives you independence. It's scary if something breaks or if something happens to your dog.
@MariahL @NicksWorld @vol4life8657 @Kingslayer I don't think it's wrong, either. It's just not my experience.
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@NicksWorld @vol4life8657 @MariahL @Kingslayer compared to vet bills, food,toys, cleaning, tips are a rounding error, remember. If you do the math over a year, I think it would be under a dollar a day for a tip, and even under $2-3 a day for the occasional broken cane. The dog's food would cost more than that, leaving aside other bills.
@techsinger @vol4life8657 @MariahL @Kingslayer My brothers and I usually buy cane tips in packs so we have a lot of them at once.
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@NicksWorld @vol4life8657 @MariahL @Kingslayer compared to vet bills, food,toys, cleaning, tips are a rounding error, remember. If you do the math over a year, I think it would be under a dollar a day for a tip, and even under $2-3 a day for the occasional broken cane. The dog's food would cost more than that, leaving aside other bills.
@techsinger @NicksWorld @vol4life8657 @Kingslayer You can cut down on some of those costs by say doing grooming and baths yourself.
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@NicksWorld @techsinger @vol4life8657 @Kingslayer Are you kidding? My dog accidentally got into a bed of fire ants and I was a wreck. He was miserable and I just wanted to fix it.
@MariahL @NicksWorld @vol4life8657 @Kingslayer Yes, precisely. That's the kind of thing which would drive me up the wall. It's a living creature to which I have duties and with which I'd get emotionally involved. I couldn't help that.
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@MariahL @NicksWorld @vol4life8657 @Kingslayer Yes, precisely. That's the kind of thing which would drive me up the wall. It's a living creature to which I have duties and with which I'd get emotionally involved. I couldn't help that.
@techsinger @MariahL @vol4life8657 @Kingslayer Do you just not like being emotional? I'm not gonna judge of course, but I'm curious.
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@techsinger @MariahL @Kingslayer That's like saying discrimination is justified. It isn't.
@NicksWorld @MariahL @Kingslayer Legally, it isn't. I never said it was. As a matter of fact, though, the stigma felt by many people is justified. It is accurate. Their acting on it is a legal, and I think it's a moral, wrong. However, they are correct in feeling it because it is a fact that it makes more work for them in many cases to interact with a blind person. Stigma is a feeling felt by others, after all, it's not some sort of objective thing, right?
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@NicksWorld @MariahL @Kingslayer Legally, it isn't. I never said it was. As a matter of fact, though, the stigma felt by many people is justified. It is accurate. Their acting on it is a legal, and I think it's a moral, wrong. However, they are correct in feeling it because it is a fact that it makes more work for them in many cases to interact with a blind person. Stigma is a feeling felt by others, after all, it's not some sort of objective thing, right?
@techsinger @MariahL @Kingslayer It's that same stigma that makes it hard for blind people to be employed even if a blind person has the skills to do a good job in the field they are trying to work at.
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@NicksWorld @MariahL @Kingslayer umm, people don't like being inconvenienced? People don't like extra work, extra fears, all that? They are justified to feel that way, aren't they? Nobody wants to work more than the minimum. That's a justified feeling isn't it? It may well be wrong to feel it, but it's human nature. We bring them extra work. They don't like extra work. The suspicion that we bring them extra work is in fact, true which accounts for the stigma.
@techsinger @NicksWorld @MariahL @Kingslayer I understand that position. Sometimes I'm even apolegetic. And honestly showing yo understand taht helps in a lot of cases.
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@NicksWorld @MariahL @Kingslayer Legally, it isn't. I never said it was. As a matter of fact, though, the stigma felt by many people is justified. It is accurate. Their acting on it is a legal, and I think it's a moral, wrong. However, they are correct in feeling it because it is a fact that it makes more work for them in many cases to interact with a blind person. Stigma is a feeling felt by others, after all, it's not some sort of objective thing, right?
@techsinger @NicksWorld @Kingslayer Oh I'm not talking legally. The law be damned. Nothing justifies the stigmas. Nothing. Especially now. It's 2026 and the attitudes and stereotypes should have died a long time ago. They should have died in the 70's when section 504 passed. They really should have died when the ADA was passed in the 90's. And yet? Here we are.
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@techsinger @NicksWorld @Kingslayer But that's not something a PWD can control. That way of thinking isn't necessarily great.
@MariahL @NicksWorld @Kingslayer It's true, though. I mean I think I have a duty to understand and acknowledge the truth, and that understanding helps in knowing what's going on. Turning away from truth just isn't helpful. I don't say, and don't believe, that PWDs should somehow not do things because of it, I'm afraid that, as a worker, I'm going to do my best to get what I want done and, if you suffer, I can only offer sympathy. I'm not going to lie to myself or others, though, saying that it's all the worker's imagination. It isn't.
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@techsinger @NicksWorld @Kingslayer Oh I'm not talking legally. The law be damned. Nothing justifies the stigmas. Nothing. Especially now. It's 2026 and the attitudes and stereotypes should have died a long time ago. They should have died in the 70's when section 504 passed. They really should have died when the ADA was passed in the 90's. And yet? Here we are.
@MariahL @techsinger @Kingslayer Yep, here we are. I'm not saying we've made no progress though because we definitely have.
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@NicksWorld @techsinger @Kingslayer Look at it from the other side, our lives are extra work that the average person doesn't have to deal with and will never deal with unless something happens to disable them. It's not our fault that there might be extra work as you say. The stigmas aren't justifiable anymore. It's 2026.
@MariahL @NicksWorld @Kingslayer <sigh>. The stigmas are present in reality due to actual facts. They are just as present now as they were a hundred years ago. Pretending they don't exist, or that the feeling of "oh God, here comes a blind person who is going to make my life slightly harder" is unjustified is just to ignore the facts in front of us. I don't argue that we should somehow avoid acting because we don't want to inconvenience anyone, but the feelings are there and they are accurate.
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@MariahL @NicksWorld @Kingslayer <sigh>. The stigmas are present in reality due to actual facts. They are just as present now as they were a hundred years ago. Pretending they don't exist, or that the feeling of "oh God, here comes a blind person who is going to make my life slightly harder" is unjustified is just to ignore the facts in front of us. I don't argue that we should somehow avoid acting because we don't want to inconvenience anyone, but the feelings are there and they are accurate.
@techsinger @MariahL @Kingslayer When I go out, I don't even consider the amount of work I make people do because I go out and have fun. Yes, I know I make people do theings they wouldn't normally do but at the end of the day, I'm not just gonna stay in my house to make other people ffeel comfortable. At that point, you might as well put me in a mental hospital.
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@techsinger @MariahL @vol4life8657 @Kingslayer Do you just not like being emotional? I'm not gonna judge of course, but I'm curious.
@NicksWorld @MariahL @vol4life8657 @Kingslayer What was the old joke? "I keep my emotions for the activities where they are qualified". Things are just things, they can be replaced with money. I can get emotional over living creatures, and deeply emotional over human beings, but things are just grist for the landfill.
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@techsinger @MariahL @Kingslayer When I go out, I don't even consider the amount of work I make people do because I go out and have fun. Yes, I know I make people do theings they wouldn't normally do but at the end of the day, I'm not just gonna stay in my house to make other people ffeel comfortable. At that point, you might as well put me in a mental hospital.
@NicksWorld @techsinger @Kingslayer If someone thinks that way that's not my problem. I refuse to be put in a box like that. I deserve to live to live my life like anyone else. You're allowed to have your opinion but wow.
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@techsinger @MariahL @Kingslayer It's that same stigma that makes it hard for blind people to be employed even if a blind person has the skills to do a good job in the field they are trying to work at.
@NicksWorld @MariahL @Kingslayer Yes indeed, it is. It's part of human nature, though. Eliminating it is seriously difficult if not impossible, and ignoring it is not going to make it go away. I'm physically blind. I can't afford to be mentally blind, too. I have to acknowledge truth wherever I it is, even though I don't like it.
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@NicksWorld @techsinger @Kingslayer If someone thinks that way that's not my problem. I refuse to be put in a box like that. I deserve to live to live my life like anyone else. You're allowed to have your opinion but wow.
@MariahL @techsinger @Kingslayer I'm only just saying that I go out because I have that right, and if people find it disturbing, that's their problem and not my own.
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@NicksWorld @MariahL @vol4life8657 @Kingslayer What was the old joke? "I keep my emotions for the activities where they are qualified". Things are just things, they can be replaced with money. I can get emotional over living creatures, and deeply emotional over human beings, but things are just grist for the landfill.
@techsinger @NicksWorld @MariahL @vol4life8657 @Kingslayer so about the guide dog thing, the real reason why i don't want one yet are my o&m skills are not as great, and i'm ttoo used to using my cane
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@techsinger @NicksWorld @MariahL @Kingslayer I understand that position. Sometimes I'm even apolegetic. And honestly showing yo understand taht helps in a lot of cases.
@vol4life8657 @NicksWorld @MariahL @Kingslayer I agree. it's always helpful to try to see the other person's point of view, even if you aren't able to resolve the problem.
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@vol4life8657 @NicksWorld @MariahL @Kingslayer I agree. it's always helpful to try to see the other person's point of view, even if you aren't able to resolve the problem.
@techsinger @NicksWorld @MariahL @Kingslayer Yes it is.