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lot to love about #netbsd and missing surprisingly little.

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  • lkundrak@metalhead.clubL This user is from outside of this forum
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    lkundrak@metalhead.club
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    lot to love about #netbsd and missing surprisingly little. real annoying things:

    find requires a path. "find ." instead of "find", i'm getting it wrong every time.

    no "sort -h". how do people sort "du -sh" output? are they content with seeing their file is 173666 blocks big?

    anybody knows if patches for these would've been accepted or if they'd be shunned off as gnu-isms?

    lkundrak@metalhead.clubL hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH mathieu@fosstodon.orgM jmcneill@mstdn.caJ 4 Replies Last reply
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    • lkundrak@metalhead.clubL lkundrak@metalhead.club

      lot to love about #netbsd and missing surprisingly little. real annoying things:

      find requires a path. "find ." instead of "find", i'm getting it wrong every time.

      no "sort -h". how do people sort "du -sh" output? are they content with seeing their file is 173666 blocks big?

      anybody knows if patches for these would've been accepted or if they'd be shunned off as gnu-isms?

      lkundrak@metalhead.clubL This user is from outside of this forum
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      there are things that are obviously very linuxy that i also miss, so i'm not their normal target audience probably:

      * systemd
      * udev
      * sysfs
      * lsblk
      * iproute, NetworkManager

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      • lkundrak@metalhead.clubL lkundrak@metalhead.club

        there are things that are obviously very linuxy that i also miss, so i'm not their normal target audience probably:

        * systemd
        * udev
        * sysfs
        * lsblk
        * iproute, NetworkManager

        ozzelot@mstdn.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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        @lkundrak
        yep, missing systemd definitely means you're not set out for the bsdworld just yet

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        • ozzelot@mstdn.socialO ozzelot@mstdn.social

          @lkundrak
          yep, missing systemd definitely means you're not set out for the bsdworld just yet

          lkundrak@metalhead.clubL This user is from outside of this forum
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          @ozzelot oh hail the world of init system neglect

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          • lkundrak@metalhead.clubL lkundrak@metalhead.club

            lot to love about #netbsd and missing surprisingly little. real annoying things:

            find requires a path. "find ." instead of "find", i'm getting it wrong every time.

            no "sort -h". how do people sort "du -sh" output? are they content with seeing their file is 173666 blocks big?

            anybody knows if patches for these would've been accepted or if they'd be shunned off as gnu-isms?

            hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH This user is from outside of this forum
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            @lkundrak i'm p sure gnu find works there

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            • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

              @lkundrak i'm p sure gnu find works there

              hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH This user is from outside of this forum
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              @lkundrak otherwise autoconf was for nothing

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              • mxk@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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                @poni @lkundrak was about to ask, but obviously fd-find officially supports FreeBSD and OpenBSD, but not netbsd.
                From my experience with a certain bsd-like closed source OS I can say, using rust rewrites is a pretty good way to get sane cmdline utilities.

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                • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

                  @lkundrak i'm p sure gnu find works there

                  lkundrak@metalhead.clubL This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @hipsterelectron gnu versions are in pkgsrc and i ended up with many unix aliases already, even

                  alias make=gmake
                  alias sed=gsed
                  alias awk=gawk

                  first is obvious of no fault of bsd, the second two i don't remember why any more (does bsd awk have gsub()??). i'm sure bsd versions are okay, blaming this on years on gnu

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                  • lkundrak@metalhead.clubL lkundrak@metalhead.club

                    @hipsterelectron gnu versions are in pkgsrc and i ended up with many unix aliases already, even

                    alias make=gmake
                    alias sed=gsed
                    alias awk=gawk

                    first is obvious of no fault of bsd, the second two i don't remember why any more (does bsd awk have gsub()??). i'm sure bsd versions are okay, blaming this on years on gnu

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                    @lkundrak you can also build them to use that g binary prefix

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                    • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

                      @lkundrak you can also build them to use that g binary prefix

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                      @lkundrak blaming gnu always a good strategy although i'm kind of a gnu apologist

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                      • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

                        @lkundrak otherwise autoconf was for nothing

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                        @hipsterelectron it's making things portable*

                        *to osf/1 on alpha, not a perfectly fine future risc plaform with a perfectly standard modern c compiler

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                        • lkundrak@metalhead.clubL lkundrak@metalhead.club

                          @hipsterelectron it's making things portable*

                          *to osf/1 on alpha, not a perfectly fine future risc plaform with a perfectly standard modern c compiler

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                          @lkundrak i'm a HUGE autoconf apologist

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                          • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

                            @lkundrak i'm a HUGE autoconf apologist

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                            @hipsterelectron sorry to hear, hope you get better

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                            • lkundrak@metalhead.clubL lkundrak@metalhead.club

                              lot to love about #netbsd and missing surprisingly little. real annoying things:

                              find requires a path. "find ." instead of "find", i'm getting it wrong every time.

                              no "sort -h". how do people sort "du -sh" output? are they content with seeing their file is 173666 blocks big?

                              anybody knows if patches for these would've been accepted or if they'd be shunned off as gnu-isms?

                              mathieu@fosstodon.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @lkundrak Haha I come from the BSD, and TIL that you can omit the path in gnu find xD.

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                              • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

                                @lkundrak i'm a HUGE autoconf apologist

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                                @lkundrak i will literally make fixes for things. i'm currently working on an improved help output including ~colors~

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                                • lkundrak@metalhead.clubL lkundrak@metalhead.club

                                  @hipsterelectron sorry to hear, hope you get better

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                                  @lkundrak i fear it may be terminal

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                                  • mathieu@fosstodon.orgM mathieu@fosstodon.org

                                    @lkundrak Haha I come from the BSD, and TIL that you can omit the path in gnu find xD.

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                                    @mathieu omg do not get used to it, it's a trap!!

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                                    • lkundrak@metalhead.clubL lkundrak@metalhead.club

                                      @mathieu omg do not get used to it, it's a trap!!

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                                      @mathieu it's how gnu vendor locks you

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                                      • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

                                        @lkundrak i fear it may be terminal

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                                        @lkundrak funniest joke i've ever made in my entire life

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                                        • lkundrak@metalhead.clubL lkundrak@metalhead.club

                                          @mathieu it's how gnu vendor locks you

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                                          @mathieu do you know research shows that if you learn to ride a reverse bike, your ability to steer a normal bike will get measurably slower

                                          that is how using gnu impairs everybody's ability to use a normal computer

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