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I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:

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  • tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.socialT tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.social

    I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:

    "Leave me alone, you’re not my equal, you’re not a man of the world nor a man of faith, yet you want to own me, you mindless twit."

    (by Umm Ja'far bint Ali)

    That's it. That's the whole poem.

    #poetry #poem #WomensHistory #women #literature #art #bookstodon

    nixcraft@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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    #25

    @TarkabarkaHolgy can i get book name or URL where i can read it? it will be very good for me. TIA

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    • tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.socialT tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.social

      I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:

      "Leave me alone, you’re not my equal, you’re not a man of the world nor a man of faith, yet you want to own me, you mindless twit."

      (by Umm Ja'far bint Ali)

      That's it. That's the whole poem.

      #poetry #poem #WomensHistory #women #literature #art #bookstodon

      good_cannible@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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      #26

      @TarkabarkaHolgy мне нравится

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      • tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.socialT tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.social

        I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:

        "Leave me alone, you’re not my equal, you’re not a man of the world nor a man of faith, yet you want to own me, you mindless twit."

        (by Umm Ja'far bint Ali)

        That's it. That's the whole poem.

        #poetry #poem #WomensHistory #women #literature #art #bookstodon

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        #27

        @TarkabarkaHolgy absolutely love it 👏🏻

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        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

          @TarkabarkaHolgy can i get book name or URL where i can read it? it will be very good for me. TIA

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          #28

          @nixCraft this book:
          https://saqibooks.com/books/saqi/classical-poems-by-arab-women/

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          • tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.socialT tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.social

            I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:

            "Leave me alone, you’re not my equal, you’re not a man of the world nor a man of faith, yet you want to own me, you mindless twit."

            (by Umm Ja'far bint Ali)

            That's it. That's the whole poem.

            #poetry #poem #WomensHistory #women #literature #art #bookstodon

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            #29

            @TarkabarkaHolgy
            😂

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            • tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.socialT tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.social

              Okay, here's another one:

              "A man asked Thawab bint Abdullah al-Hanzaliyya to marry him but she ignored him, and as he persisted she wrote to him:

              - Your manhood stretch stands no chance of slipping through my body’s
              niche.
              So move it away from my body’s door and take it back whence it came."

              These women were savage 😆

              #poetry #poem #WomensHistory #bookstodon #women

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              #30

              @TarkabarkaHolgy ::runs scanner over poem::

              "Captain... the savagery... it's off scale"

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              • tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.socialT tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.social

                Okay, here's another one:

                "A man asked Thawab bint Abdullah al-Hanzaliyya to marry him but she ignored him, and as he persisted she wrote to him:

                - Your manhood stretch stands no chance of slipping through my body’s
                niche.
                So move it away from my body’s door and take it back whence it came."

                These women were savage 😆

                #poetry #poem #WomensHistory #bookstodon #women

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                #31

                @TarkabarkaHolgy if someone told me that I'd be like:

                "Ouch. But hey, respect, thats poetic."

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                • tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.socialT tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.social

                  @nixCraft this book:
                  https://saqibooks.com/books/saqi/classical-poems-by-arab-women/

                  faraiwe@mstdn.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @TarkabarkaHolgy @nixCraft ftr it's been available, at least US side, for a while, now (2001?). You can get it at places other than Big River, but even Barnes n Noble or BAM should stock it.

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                  • tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.socialT tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.social

                    I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:

                    "Leave me alone, you’re not my equal, you’re not a man of the world nor a man of faith, yet you want to own me, you mindless twit."

                    (by Umm Ja'far bint Ali)

                    That's it. That's the whole poem.

                    #poetry #poem #WomensHistory #women #literature #art #bookstodon

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                    #33

                    @TarkabarkaHolgy I'd love to hear the untranslated version of that and work it into music TBH.

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                    • rastal@mastodon.socialR rastal@mastodon.social

                      @TarkabarkaHolgy That is because women had comprehensive rights in Islam 1400 years ago including property ownership, inheritance and marriage consent. European women didn't get these same rights until the 19th and 20th century. Islam influenced Liberalism. Only in 20th century Europe overtakes Islam and grants more rights to women, which is how we get to today, where the narrative is non Muslim women have more rights, but not long ago, in the recent past, the opposite was true.

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                      @Rastal @TarkabarkaHolgy Men are insecure and need to control everything. Early Christianity and Buddhism also set women as equals. It just gets written out again and again.

                      Also why the whole Jesus myth bugs me. Instead of knocking up a 12yr old so God could ageplay for a few years doesn't make me believe. If God had incarnated as a woman that men listened to, that might have convinced me, but instead he pandered to the patriarchy and does in every faith.

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                      • obscurestar@mastodon.socialO obscurestar@mastodon.social

                        @TarkabarkaHolgy I'd love to hear the untranslated version of that and work it into music TBH.

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                        #35

                        @obscurestar well good news, the book is bilingual 🙂

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                        • tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.socialT tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.social

                          I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:

                          "Leave me alone, you’re not my equal, you’re not a man of the world nor a man of faith, yet you want to own me, you mindless twit."

                          (by Umm Ja'far bint Ali)

                          That's it. That's the whole poem.

                          #poetry #poem #WomensHistory #women #literature #art #bookstodon

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                          @TarkabarkaHolgy I need to frame this and give it to my tween daughter. As inspiration, to be clear; I’m pretty sure she has the sentiment down, but maybe she can use tips on how to express it eloquently.

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                          • fischblog@chaos.socialF fischblog@chaos.social

                            @TarkabarkaHolgy There's a fine line between poetry and rant, it seems. 😄

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                            @Fischblog
                            poetant? rantry?
                            @TarkabarkaHolgy

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                            • tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.socialT tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.social

                              I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:

                              "Leave me alone, you’re not my equal, you’re not a man of the world nor a man of faith, yet you want to own me, you mindless twit."

                              (by Umm Ja'far bint Ali)

                              That's it. That's the whole poem.

                              #poetry #poem #WomensHistory #women #literature #art #bookstodon

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                              @TarkabarkaHolgy #EternalVerities

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                              • tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.socialT tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.social

                                I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:

                                "Leave me alone, you’re not my equal, you’re not a man of the world nor a man of faith, yet you want to own me, you mindless twit."

                                (by Umm Ja'far bint Ali)

                                That's it. That's the whole poem.

                                #poetry #poem #WomensHistory #women #literature #art #bookstodon

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                                @TarkabarkaHolgy 1000 years later, still no notes.

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                                • tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.socialT tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.social

                                  I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:

                                  "Leave me alone, you’re not my equal, you’re not a man of the world nor a man of faith, yet you want to own me, you mindless twit."

                                  (by Umm Ja'far bint Ali)

                                  That's it. That's the whole poem.

                                  #poetry #poem #WomensHistory #women #literature #art #bookstodon

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                                  @TarkabarkaHolgy that poem is fire. What’s the book? I’d love to add it to my list.

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                                  • markwyner@mas.toM markwyner@mas.to

                                    @TarkabarkaHolgy that poem is fire. What’s the book? I’d love to add it to my list.

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                                    @markwyner
                                    https://saqibooks.com/books/saqi/classical-poems-by-arab-women/

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                                    • gbargoud@masto.nycG gbargoud@masto.nyc

                                      @TarkabarkaHolgy

                                      It's ironic given the poem that her actual name is missing and she listed in terms of the men in her life. "Umm Ja'afar" meaning "Ja'afar's mother" and "bint Ali" meaning "Ali's daughter"

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                                      @gbargoud @TarkabarkaHolgy So THAT is where the pejorative "bint", the British-English slang word for a woman or girl came from.

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                                      bint - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

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                                      • tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.socialT tarkabarkaholgy@ohai.social

                                        I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:

                                        "Leave me alone, you’re not my equal, you’re not a man of the world nor a man of faith, yet you want to own me, you mindless twit."

                                        (by Umm Ja'far bint Ali)

                                        That's it. That's the whole poem.

                                        #poetry #poem #WomensHistory #women #literature #art #bookstodon

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                                        @TarkabarkaHolgy

                                        y'all I'm really sorry but there has been something making me incredibly tense because NO ONE acknowledges it. A true, real life elephant in the wild!

                                        I'm getting really bint out of shape over the accidental, REALLY unfortunate homophone(?) with some English slang

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                                        • faraiwe@mstdn.socialF faraiwe@mstdn.social

                                          @TarkabarkaHolgy @nixCraft ftr it's been available, at least US side, for a while, now (2001?). You can get it at places other than Big River, but even Barnes n Noble or BAM should stock it.

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                                          @samuel tänkte på dig här!

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